02-05-2005 01:03									#31
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Well my good Jimmy the Stuka Dive Bomber, or Muel Dive Bomber as its known in the series was quite accuratly described. Its sloped wings, fixed landing gear combined with a dreadfull noise produced when it dives to its target below are all trademarks of the Muel. That and the fact it has terrible defence against enemy fighter lead me to what I thought was a safe assumption that it was a Confederate version of the Stuka.

Now the B-17 was a bit more sketchy. The Rebs do indeed have somewhat longer range heavy bombers used to attack Philadelphia and New York City, but I can't remember what the name of those bombers were or any accurate descriptions for that matter. The reason I went with the B-17 was because of this artwork on the paperback eddition of Settling Accounts, which I have to say is ALOT better than the lazy attempt at coverart used in the hardcover release.

Hopefully Steph and I can find the time to produce this amazing game, but only after the three books have been released. Which sadly won't be until at least the summer of 2006.

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	02-05-2005 01:03									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Broken_Erika how will the warships look, are you going to divide the us battleship designs between the two? I.E. North gets Pensylvania and south dakota class while the south gets maryland and iowa classes?

Maybe the north should have the Montana class of Super battleships.

	02-05-2005 01:22									#33
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Fine units Chris

Btw, that Rebel bomber is called "Razorback"

	02-05-2005 01:24									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock Well my good Jimmy the Stuka Dive Bomber, or Muel Dive Bomber as its known in the series was quite accuratly described. Its sloped wings, fixed landing gear combined with a dreadfull noise produced when it dives to its target below are all trademarks of the Muel. That and the fact it has terrible defence against enemy fighter lead me to what I thought was a safe assumption that it was a Confederate version of the Stuka. Now the B-17 was a bit more sketchy. The Rebs do indeed have somewhat longer range heavy bombers used to attack Philadelphia and New York City, but I can't remember what the name of those bombers were or any accurate descriptions for that matter. The reason I went with the B-17 was because of this artwork on the paperback eddition of Settling Accounts, which I have to say is ALOT better than the lazy attempt at coverart used in the hardcover release. Hopefully Steph and I can find the time to produce this amazing game, but only after the three books have been released. Which sadly won't be until at least the summer of 2006.

I hope it won't be a stillbirth like many others with promise. You have a good partner in Steph though, so I would say the outcome looks good. The whole mule thing still perplexes me though. I am not saying you're wrong, I would come to the same conclusion given the description. I agree that the coverart is definitely inferior, especialy compared to the previous trilogies. Hope to see more on this in the future. Maybe you guys could do a three part scenario to match the book.

	02-05-2005 01:28									#35
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Montana class eh? Sounds good I suppose. I won't go into the details of the naval combat in the Second Great War Jimmy as you haven't yet reached that part of series. However, if any ship were to bear the name Dakota Erika it would simply be the USS Dakota, as in the How Few Remain timeline Dakota is a single state.

It would be interesting to open up a thread for development, as we would seem to have plenty of time to work on the project before it could be released. If possible I'd love to make it so that all the infantry units use the new style developed by Curt.

Btw Steph, thanks for the info on the Razorback!! While we're at it do you know the names of the Confederate fighters as well as the Yankee fighters / bombers? I should really take notes next time I read a book that might be turned into a scenario.

	02-05-2005 09:31									#36
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The Confederate fighter is the Hounddog.

The US fighter is the Wright 27.

Nice units BTW

	02-05-2005 22:18									#37
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The Hounddog and the Wright 27 eh? Do we have any idea what they're designs might be based on? I suppose the Wright 27 could be something along the lines of the P-40, but would the Hounddog resemble something like the Spitfire or the Me-109 I wonder? Any idea's?

Also, how about Confederate and American armor? Any idea's on what they might look like Typhoon, Steph or Tom? If so then perhaps we could put together a very preliminary unitset along with a Canadian partisan unit, a Quebecois occupational unit, and some sort of American refugee unit.

	04-05-2005 17:37									#38
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Well Chris, from the rather Germanic aspect of the Confederate Air Force, I don't think that a Me-109 look-alike is too far off since they already seem to have Stukas.

From what I recall, the CS barrels have 2 inch (50 mm) guns and poorly sloped armor while US barrels have 1.5 inch (37 mm) guns and well-sloped armour.

This I think would make the CS barrels the equivelant of an improved Pzkpfw III Aus E- earlier models of the Panzer IIIs were upgunned from 37mm to 50mm after the Battle of France showed that they were inadequate in penetrating the thick armour of British infantry tanks.

I don't really think there is an exact analogue to the US barrels though- the sloped armour puts into mind the T-34 or at least the Sherman- but both had much better armanent than the measly popguns that Morrell's tankers seem to be using.

Given the time frame of Return Engagement (1941-42), I would probably guess that it would be similar to a M3 Stuart/T-26, albeit with sloped armour.

(I'd better stop spamming here.)

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	04-05-2005 21:42									#39
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Spamming? My friend no post could have been more insightfull and on topic. I'll get to work on these units ASAP and we'll see if the end result can generate more interest for the Settling Accounts scenario.

	05-05-2005 15:02									#40
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Just to fill up some of the yet unused space in this here thread

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	05-05-2005 19:00									#41
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another round of tweaks, i sleep now,
edit: now that i am awake,
the top 2 are an italian p40 heavy tank, and a soviet js-1,
the next 2 are soviet KV-85 and KV-2
The next 2 are su-76's one with a kv-1 turret and the other with a js-2 turret, i just thought they looked neat,

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	05-05-2005 21:24									#42
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Those are nice units Erika, what exactly were the modifications that were made in this case? And Steph I just love your compilation up there! Its a damn shame the miniature infantry unit style never caught on.

	06-05-2005 04:02									#43
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@ Jim aka Steph: I have never seen that version of my originally hideous A7V. It looks freaking great compared to my original. I guess it looks pretty damn good on its own too for that matter.

	06-05-2005 12:28									#44
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@ Chris: Thanks, mate!

@ Jimmy: Thank you too! That A7V was edited by Typhoon earlier - I only did a puny new paint job; I am glad you like it though

	06-05-2005 15:36									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Broken_Erika another round of tweaks, i sleep now, edit: now that i am awake, the top 2 are an italian p40 heavy tank, and a soviet js-1, the next 2 are soviet KV-85 and KV-2 The next 2 are su-76's one with a kv-1 turret and the other with a js-2 turret, i just thought they looked neat,

I was just thinking to ask Fairline to made a P 26/40 for my scenario, but I don't need to bother him anymore: yours is perfect. Thank you

	06-05-2005 19:58									#46
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@ Jimmy

Here are the modded German and US A7Vs in you're interested in upgrading them. Also, if it's alright, may I have a copy of your original (albeit still wonderful) A7Vs? I seem to have misplaced it...

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	06-05-2005 21:11									#47
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@ TY: I will try and find those for you

	07-05-2005 23:57									#48
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This is what I found. The tank in the upper left corner is my original and the other A7V's are ScottF's recolors.

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	09-05-2005 12:43									#49
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@fairline: I don't mean to be a pest, but I'd like to get a rough idea of where my US naval dive bombers are in your queue? I've officially started my beta proper of 'Empire of the Rising Sun,' and would dearly like to include them (I finally found space for them). Thanks in advance!

	10-05-2005 08:40									#50
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I may be a little late chiming in on this, but with regards to the earlier stuff about the alternate timeline thing with the Civil War, the name "Wright 27" in my mind makes me think of something earlier than a P-40, like a P-35 or P-12.

But if Confederates are flying B-17s and and Stukas, then a P-40 would probably be a bit more of a fair shake.

Not that I've read any of the books.

	13-05-2005 07:10									#51
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Oh, could someone please do me a favor? On top of the US Naval dive bombers (Dauntless, Devastator, and Helldiver), I need an M3 Grant Lee with the appropriate cammo and markings for the ones used by the British in India. These units are all I need to complete the units set of 'Empire of the Rising Sun.' If someone could get me that tank, I'd be most grateful. Thanks in advance!

	13-05-2005 12:47									#52
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I thought IŽd have one somewhere on my HD ...

There are nemoŽs & FiguŽs sigs on it - but I do believe a certain Mr Fairline had something to do with it ...

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	13-05-2005 13:33									#53
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Thanks a lot, Steph! That helps greatly! Now I just have to wait for fairline...

	13-05-2005 23:26									#54
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Nemo for inspiration, Fairline for creation, and Figu for the green paint job.

	15-05-2005 15:47									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Patine Oh, could someone please do me a favor? On top of the US Naval dive bombers (Dauntless, Devastator, and Helldiver).....

Here's a ToT Dauntless and Avenger, which were the most important Naval dive bomber and torpedo bomber respectively. You can't possibly have a WW2 Pacific scenario without an Avenger The Helldiver was pretty much a retrograde step from the Dauntless, so you could probably do without it. How do you intend to differentiate between a dive bomber and a torpedo bomber using the civ engine BTW?

This is a gif (I used less than 256 colours so there has been no loss converting from the original bmp) - if your gfx program can't handle pasting gifs into bmps, I've included the original in the zip in the next post.

	15-05-2005 15:50									#56
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The zip with the 24-bit originals:

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	15-05-2005 17:21									#57
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I looked at these two and could instantly tell the first was an avenger and the second was a dauntless.

Superb work.

as usual.

	15-05-2005 17:58									#58
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Unfortunately I did not have time to make the same distinction, for my eyes immediately burned in their sockets upon seeing such wonders.

	15-05-2005 18:10									#59
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. . . . and then I saved them as a bmp.

I'll trim them up later.

	15-05-2005 18:15									#60
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A pair of wonders.

I have a special fondness for the Helldiver in particular. When it was in public display in the Athens military museum and I was but a toddler (in the early 80's) my dad would lift me up on the wing and I would risk a step or two.
Or so I remember, I must have been way too young...
Now the Helldiver must be in the new aviation museum, and you can't get anywhere near it like that.
Not that I would climb on it, now, anyway...
If I have a son one day, who knows...