22-04-2005 23:46									#31
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Maybe Mackenzie King is just so shitty in my mind due to the inevitable comparison with FDR.

	22-04-2005 23:48									#32
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What wasn't work safe?

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Anti-semitic **** who talked to his dead dog.

"none is too many" - but was that King, or a reaction to political reality, which FDR also had to deal with - and Canada had allowed immigration for at least some time after US had cut it off in the '20s, IIRC. And King led Canada through WW2, and coordinated the defense of North America with FDR. And who else have I heard of?

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Mackenzie King wasn't just less-than-concerned with the possibility and then reality of a Jewish genocide in Europe like FDR was. That, in my mind, might make you a hardhearted son of a *****, but not necessarily an anti-Semite.

There are numerous indications from his private journals that he personally disliked Jews and worried about them "taking over neighbourhoods" near his residence...

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Mackenzie King wasn't just less-than-concerned with the possibility and then reality of a Jewish genocide in Europe like FDR was. That, in my mind, might make you a hardhearted son of a *****, but not necessarily an anti-Semite. There are numerous indications from his private journals that he personally disliked Jews and worried about them "taking over neighbourhoods" near his residence...

Like Arthur Balfour?

	23-04-2005 00:05									#36
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No idea. I only know Balfour from his declaration.

	23-04-2005 00:07									#37
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would this be true (a student paper, I think)?

"Between the years of 1933 and 1945, Canada admitted a pitiful estimated 5 000 Jews into the country. (Abella, 25) That figure includes refugees and special Orders-in-Council. The government’s obvious anti-Semitism cannot be attributed to any one person in specific, but is primarily the collaboration of the federal government itself including cabinet and the Prime Minister, the Immigration branch headed by F.C. Blair, Canadian External Affairs, and the newspapers, most often those from Quebec. "

	23-04-2005 00:08									#38
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Anyhow, like I said: maybe Mackenzie King isn't as awful as I think he is. Perhaps his problem was that he was PM when we needed an FDR.

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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark would this be true (a student paper, I think)? "Between the years of 1933 and 1945, Canada admitted a pitiful estimated 5 000 Jews into the country. (Abella, 25) That figure includes refugees and special Orders-in-Council. The government’s obvious anti-Semitism cannot be attributed to any one person in specific, but is primarily the collaboration of the federal government itself including cabinet and the Prime Minister, the Immigration branch headed by F.C. Blair, Canadian External Affairs, and the newspapers, most often those from Quebec. "

Quebec newspapers of the time were violently anti-Semitic, as were Quebec politicians and the Catholic Church in Quebec.

	23-04-2005 00:11									#40
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There was a large Quebec nationalist, Catholic, anti-socialist Nazi movement at the time.

Utterly disgraceful.

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse No idea. I only know Balfour from his declaration.

IIRC, he was said to be antisemitic in his personal life - the kind of guy who wouldnt want Jews in his club, that sort of thing. Id get you a cite, but im afraid googling on "Arthur Balfour Antisemite" leads one deep into crud.

	23-04-2005 00:13									#42
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I was going to google that exact phrase, but I stopped myself.

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse Quebec newspapers of the time were violently anti-Semitic, as were Quebec politicians and the Catholic Church in Quebec.

Yeah, ive read Richler's little book on Quebec, which goes into some detail. I had that in mind as background for King. Cant remember what Richler says about King, though.

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse There was a large Quebec nationalist, Catholic, anti-socialist Nazi movement at the time. Utterly disgraceful.

Catholic right wing antisemitism wasnt limited to north of the border - see Father Coughlin down here. Now we're getting into broader questions of 20th century history, though.

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Neil Young hasn't been mentioned yet.

	23-04-2005 03:07									#47
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Ah, forgot he was Canadian, otherwise I would have.

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Norman Bethune
Sir John A. MacDonald
Frederick Banting
Lester Pearson
Don Cherry

	23-04-2005 09:14									#49
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Wayne Gretzky

And we can just end the list after that .

	23-04-2005 09:25									#50
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I don't know about that. I think there must be at least four seal clubbers who could fill out a top five.

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1) Asher
2) Wayne Gretzky
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n) Jean Chretien

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1) Stan Rogers
2) Wayne Gretzky
3) Tim Hortons
4) Tommy Douglas
5) John and Alfred Billes, founders of Canadian Tire

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That guy, what's his name?

	23-04-2005 10:20									#54
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither I don't know about that. I think there must be at least four seal clubbers who could fill out a top five.

NO! Wayne Gretzky is the beginning and end. Soon he'll decide he'll want to be PM and will guide Canada to place of power in the world. It's just because he is the Gretzky. You can't stop it, you can only hope to contain it.

	23-04-2005 10:24									#55
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Why would I want to contain it? From the sounds of it, we could pick up 49 or so new provinces

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1. Robert Menzies
2. Angus Young
3. Nick Cave
4. Mel Gibson
5. Rupert Murdoch

...did i do this rite?

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Bill Reid

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Jane Siberry

Emily Carr

Denys Arcand

	24-04-2005 02:32									#58
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NCICKLEBACK!!!

	24-04-2005 02:35									#59
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	24-04-2005 02:37									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Spec Samething as the last "American" Thread. Name 5 Canadians you think are your greatests. Dont PM them to me, I'll just compile from here, its much easier. Let me start: Terry Fox Rene Levesque Alexander Graham Bell James Naismith David Suzuki

How do you kill a one legged fox?

Make him run across Canada... (DIRTY)