12-06-2005 19:46									#61
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19th Nov '05.

And yes, it will be a buggy pre-Xmas release. That's how it works.

	12-06-2005 20:44									#62
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Well, for those willing to pay twice or triple, they can buy the inevitable sequels/expansions and have the 'finished' product in the end and about the same timescale.

The rest can start to mod happily a year sooner that way.

	12-06-2005 22:25									#63
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shame that they do not just do the job right.

if they came to my bar, I am sure they would not like my girls to give them a glass with 1/3rd beer and the rest water... then tell them they can buy the rest of the beer in 5 minutes....

we sell beer... 1st time, 2nd time... last time

finished product.

	13-06-2005 00:57									#64
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But you don't have to fabricate the beer, do you?

	13-06-2005 02:23									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Alex But you don't have to fabricate the beer, do you?

no matey, not at all. here in Australia we have special pools that God created called billabongs.

a billabong is a place where iced cold beer flows up from the great Dwarven Breweries that are to be found in the centre of the earth.

most of the oldest pubs in Australia were built over a billabong, thus cutting down the need to transport the product.

what we had a problem with was the cloth needed to dry the gut glassware that God had waiting for us in special "Heaven Class" cases when the first settlers arrived. Yeah getting good cloth certainly took a while. Here I must admit that various patches were to be found throughout our first century on this island of paradise.

so I may be a tad tough on these programmers and various support and operational staff that are required to take a concept, sit at a computer in an air conditioned office for an unknown number of work hours and write code. nor am I considering that they have the ability to eat good food, get a pay check and play sports, ride bikes, go skiing, sit in pubs, watch the Dodgers, surf the net, play the never to be completed Civ III, assist in aid centres for the handicapped, watch movies on massive screens at multiplexs, even enjoy a nice cup of cocoa.

yeah my expectations of when I go to the shop and pay my money to the bloke at the counter for my next fix of Civ are certainly unreasonable...

fancy expecting it would be ready to play and not need a patch - opps my error.

	13-06-2005 14:21									#66
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Beer is easier to balance than Civ.

	13-06-2005 19:26									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist 19th Nov '05. And yes, it will be a buggy pre-Xmas release. That's how it works.

That is why some in Hollywood own their movies, so some studio can not scr3w with them.

	13-06-2005 19:41									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot shame that they do not just do the job right.

You know how it works if the programmers are not the ones actually setting the deadline... Did they ever in game development? I mean after 1991... Or do you remember any patches for Civ1?

	13-06-2005 19:55									#69
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hehehe

	13-06-2005 23:26									#70
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Beer is easier to balance than Civ.

Depends on how much you've consumed already.

	14-06-2005 01:59									#71
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I remember when I first bought Civ 3 on the first day that it was out here in Germany. I am not saying it was a perfect game but I never regreted buying it immediately and I will do the same for Civ IV and ....CIV X and all the others in between, if I am still alive

So long....

	14-06-2005 03:35									#72
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quote: Originally posted by The Pioneer I remember when I first bought Civ 3 on the first day that it was out here in Germany. I am not saying it was a perfect game but I never regreted buying it immediately and I will do the same for Civ IV and ....CIV X and all the others in between, if I am still alive

Yes, I remember that day too. I rushed to the game store to get the game, finally. I'll buy Civ IV as soon as it's available - and, honestly, I don't do that for many games...

	14-06-2005 06:15									#73
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Of course I'll rush to the game store to buy Civ4... Civ is the only game that has that power over me...

Now, if they would release SMAC 2, I'd be camping in front of the store a week before the release...

	19-08-2005 05:00									#74
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	19-08-2005 06:07									#75
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I find it funny that they moved the date a single day. I'm going to go ahead and take the 17th since I don't think that anyone else has it.

Some one asked about the Tuesday release thing and the answer is that most video games do not have what is called a "Hard Street Date" they can be put up for sale as soon as the product is available. However some games, most recently madden 2006, do.

I work at a best buy and once we have information from the publisher we get a date in our inventory system (which is still subject to change) but it isn't in there yet. My guess is that Take2 isn't giving Firaxis a must deliver by date, or they are flexible with it.

Though I Firaxis prefers pre-Christmas releases it is not alway more profitable in the industry. Usually there are just as many releases in January as there are in November and December. A January release when you know it's coming means that the younger crowd will save Christmas money for a game that they know is right around the corner. Not to mention that Fall winter releases come with a lot of competition as September usually has a lot of releases as well (back to school and all, we all need a reason to avoid doing homework).

	19-08-2005 06:10									#76
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i just wish they would confirm this year or next year. honestly, im praying for next year, longer to work on it means a better game.



they did confirm this winter i think, but that was awhile back...

	19-08-2005 07:16									#77
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How long have they been working on the game ? Has it been about the same time as Civilization 3? If it has then we know that there will be problems but most should be miner. I just hope its not something that is put off till a add on which is not right . Patches are ok as all games need at least two or three anyhow .

	19-08-2005 07:46									#78
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I think they started Beta like well over a year ago, possibly even two years but I'm not 100%. I believe the project was started at about the same time Conquests was being worked on.

	19-08-2005 08:08									#79
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I want it SOON! I don't care if they just give me a pretty box with an 'IOU CivIV' inside, I WANT it!

Give it to me baby, come to papa!

	19-08-2005 08:10									#80
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What really takes time to make is the fancy stuff like the graphics. But for AI and rules testing, they can do it with any piece of graphic they have available.

	19-08-2005 10:58									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Footballgod128 i just wish they would confirm this year or next year. honestly, im praying for next year, longer to work on it means a better game. they did confirm this winter i think, but that was awhile back...

They confirm november all the time in any interview they do.
There's no reason to work another year on it.
Firaxis has been working on this babe for over 2 years. They've been playing multiplayer games from over 1,5 years already.

There's no reason to be afraid it will fail like civ3 (strange I still play a failed game 4 years after it's release, but ok. much people apparantly don't like it)

civ3 had 2 major problems:
- the design team left, including the lead designer, halfway the project.
- it was build on old game engines. civ4 is being build from scratch.

Of course the game may still suck or fail Though it's not like: Civ3 didn't do it for me, maybe civ4 won't do it either.

	19-08-2005 11:12									#82
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hmm, still too long to wait.

I'm off to start another civ3 game

	19-08-2005 19:16									#83
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy There's no reason to be afraid it will fail like civ3 (strange I still play a failed game 4 years after it's release, but ok. much people apparantly don't like it)

Me too.

	20-08-2005 01:15									#84
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well I'm bored of my civ3 game I started last night.

Some difficulty levels I get smashed at, while if I go one easier I completely dominate. Last night was the latter. I'm at the beginning of the industrial age, but I doubt I'll finish.

Yeah the world settings were a major factor. Archipelago (smallest island size). I was lucky to get a decent sized land mass and the ability of my curraghs/galleys to reach 2 civs and trade techs from them.

I also chose warm and wet (instead of warm and arid like I usually do), but I was still lucky and got all desert. Yeah I prefer desert. Large world, average age.

I guess with these world settings I could go one difficulty level higher. maybe 2.

	20-08-2005 02:21									#85
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If you're playing with the island setting instead of the continents setting, it's almost always boring. I choose the smallest continents and it's pretty good usually.

	20-08-2005 03:24									#86
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Beer is easier to balance than Civ.

* alva mumbles something 'bout the Dutch, English and Americans

	20-08-2005 03:38									#87
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Dis: play a difficult level multiple times. Learn from your defeatings. I thought I would never be able to beat deity. Now I'm playing Deity all the time. it's hard, but it's cool 8)

	20-08-2005 06:02									#88
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they´re going to release it by christmas no matter what. christmas sales cannot be wasted, who cares about putting out a crapped out product. it´s just a game after all

	20-08-2005 11:47									#89
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cause we are all use to patches

it's a love-hate relationship

	20-08-2005 12:15									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Platypus Rex cause we are all use to patches it's a love-hate relationship

oh so true