06-05-2005 18:54									#31
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He's still a young man. As a former young man, I can confirm that sex and toys does indeed constitute the great majority of thought.

	06-05-2005 18:56									#32
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Che - I understand, but in truth he's not so young anymore. As I understand it he is finishing university soon. Time to mature.

	06-05-2005 18:57									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil Che - I understand, but in truth he's not so young anymore. As I understand it he is finishing university soon. Time to mature.

Excuse me for giving a sh*t about civil rights.

I'll mature and begin ignoring civil liberties like my republican friends.

	06-05-2005 18:58									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil "We're all the same regardless of sexual preference" is the refrain, yet most people I know don't dwell on their (and other people's) sexuality all day, every day. .

Could you tell the new pope that ?


Because he's never met me, and he thinks I'm intrinsically evil because of my sexuality.


I've never even thought about his, though.

	06-05-2005 19:02									#35
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom Could you tell the new pope that ? Because he's never met me, and he thinks I'm intrinsically evil because of my sexuality. I've never even thought about his, though.

You want me to instruct the CC?

Boy, have you got the wrong person.

	06-05-2005 19:09									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil You want me to instruct the CC? Boy, have you got the wrong person.

I was somewhat facetiously pointing out that some religious people and some right wingers (and 'conservative left wingers', like Stalin) expend quite a lot of time and energy fulminating about other people's sexuality and indeed it seems to obsess them to a point of froth-mouthed apoplexy.


Why, not so long ago, the British Conservative Party were so consumed by fascination with gay sexuality, they passed laws attempting to ban teaching about the subject in schools, or the 'promotion' of it by local councils.

I've never been so fascinated by my sexuality that I've tried to get my local council to promote it- in fact, I'd say it was impossible, from my experience. Perhaps I lack the requisite amount of fixation and mania.

Not enough saliva in my glands, clearly.

	06-05-2005 19:12									#37
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I know what you were pointing out, and I find such people equally annoying. I won't defend them either.

Are these the type of people one should emulate?

	06-05-2005 19:17									#38
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Conservatism (kən-sūrv-tizəm), noun: the nagging suspicion that someone, somewhere, might be having fun.

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	06-05-2005 19:17									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil I know what you were pointing out, and I find such people equally annoying. I won't defend them either. Are these the type of people one should emulate?

Erm, clearly not from my point of view, either as a gay man or as a lapsed Catholic. Or a non-conservative, for that matter.


However, a healthy interest in one's own sexuality and how the world affects it isn't an obsession- after all, how many heterosexuals feel particularly affected by discriminatory laws in housing, benefits, taxation, inheritance, parenting, as they pertain to gays and lesbians ?


I spent most of my early years being bombarded with stereotypes of gay men and lesbians, and religious propaganda telling me I was intrinsically bad for being who I was. I hardly think Asher is obsessed when he, in a somewhat tongue in cheek way, exposes the hypocrisy behind the public stances of some bigots.

	06-05-2005 19:20									#40
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Alright, carry on then.

	06-05-2005 21:07									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil Che - I understand, but in truth he's not so young anymore. As I understand it he is finishing university soon. Time to mature.

riiiiiiiiiiiiight . . . . . .



Concern about legitimate civil rights issues is a sign of immaturity.



shame on me then

	06-05-2005 21:09									#42
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quote: Originally posted by molly bloom However, a healthy interest in one's own sexuality and how the world affects it isn't an obsession- after all, how many heterosexuals feel particularly affected by discriminatory laws in housing, benefits, taxation, inheritance, parenting, as they pertain to gays and lesbians ? I spent most of my early years being bombarded with stereotypes of gay men and lesbians, and religious propaganda telling me I was intrinsically bad for being who I was. I hardly think Asher is obsessed when he, in a somewhat tongue in cheek way, exposes the hypocrisy behind the public stances of some bigots.

And how about the fact that many gays only want to be open and honest about themselves in the same way that heterosexuals are?

Does this mean that the majority of heterosexuals are too obssessed with their own sexual orientation?

	10-05-2005 17:55									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Like, 4 years ago.

I'd be embarassed if Asher's sexuality had more relevance to me.

	10-05-2005 18:04									#44
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quote: "Molestation accusations against West, dating from his years as a sheriff's deputy and Boy Scout troop leader, were made in a deposition for a lawsuit against Spokane County by Galliher. The lawsuit seeks damages for Galliher, his older brother Brett and two other men, who claim they were molested by another deputy at the time, David Hahn."

The moral majority maniacs take another hit.
It adds truth to the saying - "Thou doth protest too much!"

	10-05-2005 20:49									#45
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Catholics are part of the moral majority?

Interesting take on that.

quote: I bet this guy was Catholic even. Catholic Republicans are all homosexual pedophiles.

Sorry to disappoint you Asher, but I don't fall into this category.

	10-05-2005 20:52									#46
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No straight man can actually like the woman in your avatar.

If you're going to fake it, do it convincingly. Where is Jessica Alba?

	10-05-2005 21:20									#47
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Right, and you know what straight men ought to find attractive.

quote: If you're going to fake it, do it convincingly. Where is Jessica Alba?

Ken Banobi is in her place, thanks to Jag.

	10-05-2005 22:03									#48
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I do know what straight men ought to find attractive.

And they don't find the woman in your picture attractive.

	10-05-2005 22:33									#49
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quote: I do know what straight men ought to find attractive.

According to whom, yourself?

Asher, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

I don't claim to know what gay men find attractive.

	10-05-2005 22:36									#50
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Most men know what an attractive man looks like. Many are just too insecure of their sexuality to admit it.

	10-05-2005 22:41									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I do know what straight men ought to find attractive.

Ashers idea of what straight men ought to find attractive:

LIZA!

	10-05-2005 22:46									#52
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quote: Most men know what an attractive man looks like. Many are just too insecure of their sexuality to admit it.

I would only be secure if I were gay?

	10-05-2005 22:47									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi I would only be secure if I were gay?

You don't have to be gay to recognize what is considered attractive.

	10-05-2005 22:48									#54
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Asher, I scanned the article to try to understand why you called him a homophobe. I found that he opposed gay marriages. Is that all? Did I miss something?

	10-05-2005 22:51									#55
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Asher:

I can say someone is attractive to me.

But I cannot say that I know what I like is what gay men like.

That's the point I'm trying to get across.

	10-05-2005 22:54									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Asher: I can say someone is attractive to me. But I cannot say that I know what I like is what gay men like. That's the point I'm trying to get across.

I understand the point you're trying to get across, but I find it hard to believe you don't know what features are considered attractive on men.

That's the point I'm trying to get across.

	10-05-2005 23:05									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Most men know what an attractive man looks like. Many are just too insecure of their sexuality to admit it.

I acknowledge that I can be attracted by men, but I am quite repelled by MrFun's hunks. I guess there's no accounting for taste in women as well as in men

	10-05-2005 23:06									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I acknowledge that I can be attracted by men, but I am quite repelled by MrFun's hunks. I guess there's no accounting for taste in women as well as in men

I, too, am repulsed by MrFun's "hunks".

He's just weird.

	10-05-2005 23:18									#59
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Is there an answer to my question, Asher?

	10-05-2005 23:49									#60
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Someone who fears gays getting equal rights is a homophobe IMO.