13-05-2005 10:07									#31
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We could have a whole fight night, an event. We could even do this between different forums. I can be the Don King of it all.

	13-05-2005 10:08									#32
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What kinda cardio are you doing Asher?

	13-05-2005 10:09									#33
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Pekka,

30 pounds of muscle when someone is starting out is very doable.

	13-05-2005 10:12									#34
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Are you serious? Depends what you do.. I say not that doable. WE ARE measuring of course muscle ONLY. putting on 30 pounds in a year when starting seriously working out is definitely not impossible, and not getting fatter but more muscular. But that's different than gaining 30 pounds of pure muscle. I was talking about gaining 30 pounds of pure muscle in one year. Gaining 30 pounds of healthy weight with muscle in a year is doable. But different from what I meant.

	13-05-2005 10:13									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker What kinda cardio are you doing Asher?

I do 45 minutes of jogging at the end of the workout.

I had 12 sessions with a very good personal trainer when I first started, got a great routine goin'.

As for the building of muscle mass, I also drink protein shakes (whey protein powder).

	13-05-2005 10:16									#36
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yeah, 30 lbs of muscle is very hard to do, especially when you start out at 135 at 5.10''. thats usually unheard of because itmeans that your body is already not that good at making muscle.

	13-05-2005 10:16									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Are you serious? Depends what you do.. I say not that doable. WE ARE measuring of course muscle ONLY. putting on 30 pounds in a year when starting seriously working out is definitely not impossible, and not getting fatter but more muscular. But that's different than gaining 30 pounds of pure muscle. I was talking about gaining 30 pounds of pure muscle in one year. Gaining 30 pounds of healthy weight with muscle in a year is doable. But different from what I meant.

I have no idea if it's pure weight muscle.

I do know that I eat healthier now and get much more exercise, and it looks way better. I'm not flabby or pudgey or anything at all, which is what I meant by "pure muscle".

I have 11% bodyfat when I last had it done a couple months ago.

	13-05-2005 10:20									#38
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Trust me it doesn'tmean pure muscle.

But it doesn't mean your results are not good. It just means they are not insanely out of space freaky.

I know what you mean though, so it's all good. 11% body fat is not bad at all, it's actually very good. I don't know what mine is, haven't measured it in years (or calculated).

	13-05-2005 10:30									#39
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quote: Trust me it doesn'tmean pure muscle

It never is. It's still very impressive.

Now to the eternal question-

How much do you benchpress, Asher? ( assuming 3x8 sets, for example)

	13-05-2005 10:31									#40
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wrong question. benchpress question is TEH most stupid

	13-05-2005 10:34									#41
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0lbs, I don't benchpress as part of my routine.

My goal wasn't strength, it was getting tonnned.

	13-05-2005 10:36									#42
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pecks


making vaguely homosexual posts in gym discussions

	13-05-2005 10:38									#43
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Asher,

one of the less useful moves. I mean sure, useful but most people just do few of those and they consider it the ultimate workout, which couldn't be further from the truth.

	13-05-2005 10:41									#44
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Pekka: Yes, but those people are stupid. It's quite obvious that bench pressing is a very important part of excersize, but it's hardly the most important, just a very good one, IMHO.

	13-05-2005 10:48									#45
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It's as important as every other muscle or muscle group .

Some folks just do that to get boobies and that's it... it's just the only question you'd hear from them, as if that measures your gym quality somehow, when it almost is the exact opposite, indicating 100%-boob-wannabe. But of course not always. Sorry, I made a mistake here. I just... it's not too long ago when I encountered one more boobman, since I sometimes frequent at health forum, so .. 50% of them are teh benchpressers.. so I tend to jump too quickly these days. Again, sorry.

	13-05-2005 10:55									#46
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It's not just boobs. It also helps the arms. But yes, I know what you're talking about, too. ( I havent been to the gym for ages, though. Keep to a no-bread diet, and I run 2-3 kms a couple of times a week)

	13-05-2005 16:34									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Asher No contest IRL. From Aggie's picture he's quite a bit older and not in as good as shape as I am. I hit the gym 4 days a week. *flex*

Judging from personalities you are going to get thrashed. Aggie has to have been in hundreds of fights by now. When was the last time you were in an altercation that didn't involve a lot of slapping and flinching?

	13-05-2005 16:42									#48
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Can I be in charge of choosing the women who hold up the signs for each round?

	13-05-2005 17:28									#49
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What Asher experienced is very typical of someone who just started hitting the weights. I'd say most of those 30 pounds he gained are all muscle, ESPECIALLY if he's doing 45 minutes of cardio at the end of his lifts.

They call those newb gains (no offense Asher) because your body can gain really quickly at first if you stay dedicated over a period of time.

It's frustrating because after that, the gains are much harder to come by.

	13-05-2005 17:34									#50
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It's your body's hinting you don't really need it.

	13-05-2005 19:51									#51
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$10.

quote: It's your body's hinting you don't really need it.

No need to wink, I think this is actually true... more muscle mass which isn't really needed = more energy spent.

	13-05-2005 21:09									#52
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Benchpress is the usual standard of manliness used in prison.

	13-05-2005 21:12									#53
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All Aggie has to do is fall on him.

	13-05-2005 21:55									#54
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quote: Originally posted by pchang Benchpress is the usual standard of manliness used in prison.

Yep, and it's not even a good measure of overall strength.


Powerclean or clean and jerk are better measures of overall strength.

Besides, all the guys I know that have tried to increase their max bench have had shoulder problems.


Take care of your rotator cuffs guys.

	13-05-2005 21:56									#55
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I have a similar problem with my legs and knees. Couldn't ever get a devent leg workout.

	13-05-2005 21:59									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Yep, and it's not even a good measure of overall strength.

True, but it is good for getting out of being a "bottom"

	13-05-2005 22:16									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Az I have a similar problem with my legs and knees. Couldn't ever get a devent leg workout.

Tendonitis?

This is the best supplement I've found to help knees:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/tke/joint.html

	13-05-2005 22:54									#59
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I would fling a banana at either, but I sure as hell would not pay a dime.

	13-05-2005 23:19									#60
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I don't believe in all of this cartilage developing ****. Sounds as real as all that new age medicine...