23-05-2005 21:03									#31
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor You sound like you want a console !

well the problem is there arent really any console games i want to play OTOH, lots of folks have said that a console COULD play a serious strat game, and that you can attach a keyboard and mouse to it. So i was wondering if the real problem i had was the PC, or the nature of a game like EU itself, which would mean if playing on a console id have similar problems.


Arent they making a version of EU for one of the portable consoles?

	23-05-2005 21:05									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns But then who is going to bring food from the kitchen to your computer so you actually still remember to eat? For those of us no longer living with our parent, this poses a real problem.

You think a wife is going to bring food to you while you play a game

	23-05-2005 21:07									#33
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eh, anGel is undoubtedly nice enough to do so for Skanky, although more likely i think is that he brings it to her while she plays ...

	23-05-2005 23:38									#34
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark You think a wife is going to bring food to you while you play a game

Refer to my solution above.

	24-05-2005 02:17									#35
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Refer to my solution above.

Your gf must REALLY want to keep you out of her hair

	24-05-2005 05:49									#36
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If she relied on me to bring her food, she would end up as skinny as I am.

	24-05-2005 06:01									#37
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike The clear answer is to not get married just before a new Civ game is released.

doh'!

	25-05-2005 00:43									#38
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark You think a wife is going to bring food to you while you play a game

Life would be easier with a pro-civ girlfriend. Why did I have to get married just before Civ1 came out?

	25-05-2005 14:27									#39
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Looking at some of the posts here, and my own general theory which has more to do with the 'tv generation' in general; I'd say your more likely to have negative physical symptons when gaming if your not in good shape.

As with most things in life if you keep yourself physicaly active, you generaly have less problems overall.
Still if you've got a bad postition for using your PC/console then you just have to experiment to find the most comfortable arrangement.

I have a few friends who work in IT and over the years of sitting hunched over a PC, they commonly have problems with their backs/necks/arms etc. Most of them didn't do regular exercise, but the fitter ones definately had less servere problems.

Even with my proportionaly high amount of gaming/pc use over the years, i've kept up a pretty healthy lifestyle - good food+lots of sport and general 'outdoorsy' activities.

I think this is what has helped me to stay in shape and not have the kind of physical troubles some of my friends have had?

I used to get the odd mouse arm trouble(cant remember what the term is - rsi? ), anyway i started to regularly use one of those grip strengtheners things(you squeeze them in one hand), and that problem got much better.

Still i'm not sure that LotM will find a console experience physically more comfortable than a PC one. Maybe(horrors!) part of the problem is that he could be 'growing' out of games? Or maybe like me just finding many of todays games shallow experiences and difficult to spend much time with?

	25-05-2005 21:15									#40
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by child of Thor

quote: Looking at some of the posts here, and my own general theory which has more to do with the 'tv generation' in general; I'd say your more likely to have negative physical symptons when gaming if your not in good shape.

I think thats right. I guess im thinking it makes sense to spend less time gaming, and more getting exercise, and then maybe game later when im fitter. A good incentive to improve fitness.

That would help with back problems. Im not sure about eye problems though.

quote: oblem is that he could be 'growing' out of games? Or maybe like me just finding many of todays games shallow experiences and difficult to spend much time with?

I dont know. the game im playing these days is EU2, and i still think thats one of the best games ive ever played. OTOH im still playing it on an old system, and it takes really long to load, so im not inclined to just play for a little while, and playing for a long time is hard on back and eyes, as ive said.

	26-05-2005 04:42									#41
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Playing too much games is probably the cause of my continuous backache, and also the reason why in bad shape. It's not that I get fat... it's just the muscles that are dwindling
It's weird but these last years I don't really game that much anymore. Except sometimes when I really get absorbed by a certain game. A good thing is to have a TFT screen which is much more comfortable with your eyes. Also, use the MOO3 skin on apolyton (blue), which is nice to look at too!
The most important thing is your chair indeed though.

	26-05-2005 09:32									#42
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I don't have to worry about it since I don't work an office job or a desk job where I'm sitting down all the time. Though I still do a fair amount of sitting at my job, it also requires me walking from place to place (and driving from place to place). And when I get to the location, when I'm working, I'm usually sitting down. But not in a position similar to what people working on computer are doing.

And anyways, my marathong days of playing 20 straight hours of civ2 are over. I think 12 hours of gaming is my record of the past couple of years. I really can't do much more than 12 hours. My eyes get tired. But my eyes didn't seem to get tired back in those civ2 days. I distinctely remember doing almost 20 hours one time.

	26-05-2005 22:23									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident edit......... I really can't do much more than 12 hours. My eyes get tired. But my eyes didn't seem to get tired back in those civ2 days. I distinctely remember doing almost 20 hours one time.

I'm reminded of a story that a friend reminds me of every now and then. As he tells it:

He came around to visit me, as he hadn't seen me for a few days. So he comes to my house and upon entering my room finds me in darkness illuminated by the glow from my TV. He calls my name and a ghostly pale face slowly turns towards him - i'm unshaven and wearing my cycling shades. He says he could almost imagine cobwebs hanging from my head! cheeky devil.

I'd just completed a combined non-stop 36hrs on Space Crusade and Geof Crammonds Formula One on my Amiga


The moral of the story is if your worried about your eyes, wear some UV reflective shades - i've luckily not had any eye problems yet(but when my eyes feel the strain out come the shades), but that is another thing that long term pc/gaming can cause trouble with.

It seems gaming can be a hazardous hobby

	26-05-2005 23:53									#44
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yeah we should be up there with those xtreme sports like rock climbing.

lets see if we can get on the xgames.

	27-05-2005 04:26									#45
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Ok, let's see...

Computer gaming:

- bad for your back

- bad for your eyes

- bad for your neck

- bad for your mouse arm

- bad for your overall physical stamina (except for DaveV!)

- bad for your relationship

- bad for your economy (?)

Are we addicts, or what?!

BTW, what's QFT?

Carolus

	27-05-2005 04:48									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Carolus Rex BTW, what's QFT?

"Quoted For TRUTH". It generally means that you agree with the one you quote.

	27-05-2005 13:36									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Carolus Rex Ok, let's see... Computer gaming: - bad for your back - bad for your eyes - bad for your neck - bad for your mouse arm - bad for your overall physical stamina (except for DaveV!) - bad for your relationship - bad for your economy (?) Are we addicts, or what?! Carolus

But still fun.

	27-05-2005 14:23									#48
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Good for your hand-eye coordination.

	27-05-2005 14:25									#49
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who cares about hand-eye coordination? You'd think that is some mandatory job skill in order to survive in modern society.

I think that's a shitty reason to play video games. A better reason to play them is to escape reality.

	27-05-2005 14:39									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident A better reason to play them is to escape reality.

Escapism is a good reason! In combination with the quest for that "sense of wonder"...

So, gamers basically have pathetic lives?

Carolus

	27-05-2005 14:41									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident who cares about hand-eye coordination?

Airline pilote aspirants? Surgeons, perhaps?

Carolus

	27-05-2005 14:46									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Carolus Rex Surgeons, perhaps?

The first thing you ask when being rolled into the operating room:

- "What's your computer gaming experience?"

- "+ 48 000 hrs..."

- "Ok, cut me up!"

Carolus

	27-05-2005 21:11									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Carolus Rex Ok, let's see... Computer gaming: - bad for your back - bad for your eyes - bad for your neck - bad for your mouse arm - bad for your overall physical stamina (except for DaveV!) - bad for your relationship - bad for your economy (?) Are we addicts, or what?! BTW, what's QFT? Carolus

you can learn history from them? I mean how many of us had even HEARD of Trebizond?

	28-05-2005 08:46									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Good for your hand-eye coordination.

So are certain websites.

	28-05-2005 08:57									#56
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True, but then pong is a game also.

	28-05-2005 12:43									#57
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark you can learn history from them? I mean how many of us had even HEARD of Trebizond?

Or Battery Park and Clinton Castle? Seriously, I didn't know those were real places in NY... Shows you what fear of flying can do to promote ignorance...

Which game has taught you about Trebizond?

Carolus

	28-05-2005 13:35									#58
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Crusader Kings taught me alot about the people and events of the time.

	28-05-2005 14:05									#59
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I think the key ingredients that got me hooked to gaming in 1980 were:

1.Fun
2.Educational/(sharpens the mind)
3.Interactive
4.You could make them yourself

Are gamers geeks(ref pathetic lives)? well i certainly know a few that fit that sterotype, but its not an exclusive requirement imho.

Balance is probably a good thing to aim for, somehow i managed to fit in a social life around my heavy gaming habits, but i did loose a girlfriend once - so gaming is not an easy ship to sail in

I find the exercise of the mind the most useful thing that games have brought to me, its a good way to simulate and solve problems.

On the physical side they definately are a bad thing so you need to compensate for this by making sure you give yourself time to do something active.

	30-05-2005 01:45									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Carolus Rex Or Battery Park and Clinton Castle? Seriously, I didn't know those were real places in NY... Shows you what fear of flying can do to promote ignorance... Which game has taught you about Trebizond? Carolus

Trebizond from EU2. Or actually from a SHWI what if based on EU2, one of the things that really got me interested in that game.