14-06-2005 22:26									#391
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube Yeah, probably, except that's not even a word.

It's in my dictionary.

	14-06-2005 22:46									#392
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube Yeah, probably, except that's not even a word.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=qwerty

	14-06-2005 22:55									#393
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue qwerty?

	14-06-2005 22:57									#394
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Ljube wont like that.

	15-06-2005 03:15									#395
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I'd (for perhaps the first time *ever*) agree with Ljube.

Qwerty is not a standard english word, in my book at least. It's essentially a slang word - a word adapted not from another language even, but simply a slang term derived from convenience. Perhaps it has become somewhat commonplace slang, but we should not allow words like this any more than we should allow "darn" or "frick". Otherwise, remove the restriction of "standard" from the rules - it limits the guessers' guesses, and thus should either limit the setters' words, or not be there at all.

	15-06-2005 04:28									#396
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I disagree... I feel it's a standard english word. I've seen it in passing in many dictionaries before, and it's in the Scrabble dictionary...

	15-06-2005 04:30									#397
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My assumption was that the rules are like scrabble - if it's in the dictionary, it counts. Qwerty is in the dictionary, therefore it's a valid word.

	15-06-2005 04:41									#398
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Okay it is agreed that it is a debatable word (not one I have a problem with though I never would have guessed it).

How about a new word Drogue?

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	15-06-2005 04:42									#399
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OK, I'm going to work on the presumption that if it's in the OED, it's fine, as it's the only dictionary I have around and it's what I use to check if something counts as being in the English language.

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	15-06-2005 05:39									#400
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	15-06-2005 06:53									#401
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	15-06-2005 07:10									#402
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I guess it's a difference on the nature of the word "standard". You see a lot of words in the OED that I'd consider absolutely inappropriate for this game. It's not supposed to be a test of obscure vocabulary, but a test of guessing letters ... or at least that's how I see the word "standard".

If it's not that, then we should remove the word "standard" from the rules, as that's what it implies to me (unless that's not the feeling of most people?)

	15-06-2005 10:34									#403
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Qwerty is a standard english word.

	15-06-2005 12:02									#404
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 I guess it's a difference on the nature of the word "standard". You see a lot of words in the OED that I'd consider absolutely inappropriate for this game. It's not supposed to be a test of obscure vocabulary, but a test of guessing letters ... or at least that's how I see the word "standard". If it's not that, then we should remove the word "standard" from the rules, as that's what it implies to me (unless that's not the feeling of most people?)

Standard can only reasonably mean 'in the dictionary', we just need to agree a dictionary to shore it up. Any other definition of standard means different things to different people.

I don't like qwerty, but language changes, there are no real words, just accepted ones. If it is in the dictionary (it's in mine, as I said) it's a 'real' word.

	15-06-2005 12:36									#405
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I'd say anything (non-abbreviation, non-proper noun of course) in either the Oxford English Dictionary or Mirriam Webster's New World Collegiate Dictionary counts as standard english.

	15-06-2005 14:42									#406
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Good definition. However, some words are listed as informal. Some are listed as slang. Do these two categories also count as standard english?

	15-06-2005 15:19									#407
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	15-06-2005 18:24									#408
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	15-06-2005 18:46									#409
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	15-06-2005 18:49									#410
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quote: Originally posted by joncha I'd say anything (non-abbreviation, non-proper noun of course) in either the Oxford English Dictionary or Mirriam Webster's New World Collegiate Dictionary counts as standard english.

I'm fine with Merriam Webster NW... but we should probably spell it right at least

I'm not sure the full OED is a good idea - that has pretty much anything in it ... including a lot of nonstandard words.

Can't we just take standard out of the rules? That's I think what people are tending towards - allowing any english word, not just standard ones but things like QWERTY as well. That seems like an easier compromise ...

	15-06-2005 23:02									#411
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I've backed off from informal or slang words in the past. I don't think they should be allowed. However, qwerty is in my dictionary with no qualifier.

We should just follow my suggestion to agree on a dictionary, and discuss whether to allow slang.

My vote is OED and no informal/slang.

	15-06-2005 23:12									#412
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	15-06-2005 23:13									#413
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike My vote is OED and no informal/slang.

In that case I may need to change mine - it's in the OED, but I didn't read the entry (just checked it was there) and while commonly used is probably considered slang.

	15-06-2005 23:21									#414
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L

	15-06-2005 23:59									#415
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My vote is:

No more rules!!!

So some disagree on a word..Who cares!!

Take a new one and get on with it, this is just a silly little time waster, remember.

	15-06-2005 23:59									#416
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	16-06-2005 00:08									#417
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quote: Originally posted by alva My vote is: No more rules!!! So some disagree on a word..Who cares!! Take a new one and get on with it, this is just a silly little time waster, remember.

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	16-06-2005 00:29									#418
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	16-06-2005 00:31									#419
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