23-05-2005 02:54									#31
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quote: Originally posted by DanS But hasn't a centrist platform essentially been proven useless for the SPD in the election yesterday? It seems like they can't out-centrist the CDU/CSU.

Remember that it was a regional election, and that the political spectrum in this Land is probably different than in the whole of Germany.

Besides, I imagine that the voters of this industrial Land mostly punish the SPD for the deconstruction of the social State, and for the loss of relevance of their economic sector. I don't think the vote denotes a bigger appreciation of the CDU policies.

In fact, the only reason why Stoiber didn't win last time, despite Schröder's huge impopularity, was because his policies looked even more terrible to the voter.

And you're not a "centrist" party when you scream and whine against the possibility that migrants may one day become Germans

	23-05-2005 03:42									#32
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Why is Black being used instead of Blue for CDU? I thought Blue was for conservative parties, and Black was for far right-wing parties like Le Pen 's party or the BNP.

	23-05-2005 03:45									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Why is Black being used instead of Blue for CDU? I thought Blue was for conservative parties, and Black was for far right-wing parties like Le Pen 's party or the BNP.

Just because American tv companies decided to use blue doesn't mean the European press has to follow suit... You are not the center of the universe.

	23-05-2005 03:53									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij Just because American tv companies decided to use blue doesn't mean the European press has to follow suit... You are not the center of the universe.

Actually, the USA does it ass backwards. We have the Republicans as Red and Democrats as Blue.

Everytime I have seen an electoral map of a foreign country, I have always seen Red for leftists and Blue for Rightists. In fact a few yeards back when conservative parties were gaining power all throughout the European continent, several European posters reffered to it as the "Blue Revolution"

	23-05-2005 03:54									#35
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Don't know. Black was always their color...and the far right is obviously brown.

The CSU is actually less right wing than the CDU economically, but more so socially. I doubt that they (CDU and CSU) are anywhere near the Tories.

However, let's hope, Schröder beats Merkel.

quote: But hasn't a centrist platform essentially been proven useless for the SPD in the election yesterday? It seems like they can't out-centrist the CDU/CSU.

The SPD got more votes than the Christian Democrats in two consecutive federal elections on that platform. From 1949 to 1998, the SPD was only one time stronger than the CDU/CSU (in 1972 with Chancellor Brandt).

	23-05-2005 04:03									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Nope, noone in sight. Has anybody heard anything of Sigmar Gabriel? He seemed a good bloke, the first who fell victim to the anti-government hence pro-CDU rage. Then he disappeared in the sinking

Platzeck is the SPD's future.

	23-05-2005 04:52									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Everytime I have seen an electoral map of a foreign country, I have always seen Red for leftists and Blue for Rightists. In fact a few yeards back when conservative parties were gaining power all throughout the European continent, several European posters reffered to it as the "Blue Revolution"

It's true for many European countries, but not for Germany nor Austria.

The CDU's historical colour is black. The liberals' is yellow, and the SPD's is red (this is why the neo-Commies are confusing, because they're red too IIRC).

In austria, blue is the colour of the FPÖ, the far right party. Don't know about the conservative party's colour though.

	23-05-2005 04:57									#38
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Orange is the colour of Belgium's christen democrats. The liberals also use blue and social democrats red.

	23-05-2005 06:58									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij Just because American tv companies decided to use blue doesn't mean the European press has to follow suit... You are not the center of the universe.

Yes we are

	23-05-2005 10:14									#40
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Why not use pastel colors?

	23-05-2005 10:33									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Yes we are

We might have to dry up a German river or a German lake to prove this to them.

	23-05-2005 12:38									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor In austria, blue is the colour of the FPÖ, the far right party. Don't know about the conservative party's colour though.

black

	23-05-2005 12:42									#43
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Platzeck for chancellor in 2009

He'll beat the crap out of Wulff any time

	23-05-2005 15:31									#44
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun He looks handsome . . . . . .

He looks like an orange, slightly smoother, Jurgen Prochnow.

	23-05-2005 15:58									#45
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molly, por favor, Prochnov has style and a strong look!

Anyway.......
Guido for Chancellor!!

	23-05-2005 16:29									#46
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We can try to get back Ahnold.....otoh we never had good experiences with Austrians

	23-05-2005 16:33									#47
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro We can try to get back Ahnold.....otoh we never had good experiences with Austrians

He was an admirer of some aspects of Herr Hitler's regime.


Presumably not the genocidal world war aspects, hoffentlich.


Otherwise it's gonna be:



KALIFORNIA UBER ALLES !!!!!!

	23-05-2005 17:22									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion the public opinion is going to swing back to peace and prosperity (ie social democracy) rather than German forces in Iraq and hell on Earth (ie black dictatorship).

And how much prosperity has the social democrats' high taxes and high regulations brought? It's brought Germany to its knees! But maybe you like being a nation of unemployed bums.

	23-05-2005 17:33									#49
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What you guys really need is a Clinton or Tony Blair type figure. A nice social progressive and an economic liberal in the classical sense.

	23-05-2005 19:47									#50
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro We can try to get back Ahnold.....otoh we never had good experiences with Austrians

That's your own fault if you crown the idiot King

	23-05-2005 20:07									#51
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Merkel for Chancellor

I always wanted a hottie like her as head of the government for this crisis ridden country. Her hairstyle is legendary, too. Probably her coiffeur is in Paris, just like her couturier.

I'd hit her.

Straight in her face.

	23-05-2005 20:13									#52
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Politcal violence and demagoguery.

	23-05-2005 20:41									#53
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Her hairstyle?? You don't like Stirnfransen?



Better get used to it!


Btw, I also found this hottie pic, showing her appreciation for the united states.

	23-05-2005 21:40									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin And how much prosperity has the social democrats' high taxes and high regulations brought? It's brought Germany to its knees! But maybe you like being a nation of unemployed bums.

Once again, it wasn't the Social Democrats who raised the overall tax and regulation levels. Income and company taxes have been cut by more than 40 billion €/year since 1998. Please get your facts straight.


@Ecthy
I'd rather want Platzeck to beat the crap out of Koch.

	24-05-2005 01:05									#56
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He'll beat the crap out of all of those west-wimps

Socially progressive and economicly liberal doesn't work. You can't pay social welfare without high taxes

And the last thing we need is a Bush-ist increase in federal deficit