30-05-2005 02:52									#331
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If this is one of Cali's friends, sent here to punish the race traitors, I worry about him.

	30-05-2005 03:11									#332
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I see f**kwit has gone strangely quiet now...

I wouldn't necessarily call him a f**twit.

But yes, he was arrogant, rude, obnoxious, snobbish, insensitive, clueless, ignorant, irrational, illogical, foolish, short-sighted, and egoistical.



I'm sure I forgot something.

	30-05-2005 03:13									#333
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You're forgetting f**kwit

He was a pretty obnoxious piece of work...whoever's DL he was

	30-05-2005 03:18									#334
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Ok -- so we shall say that f**twit is a nice concisive word that includes everything I used to describe his posting?

	30-05-2005 03:19									#335
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If the shoe fits...

	30-05-2005 04:36									#336
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I miss him already. He was more fun than MrFun.

	30-05-2005 04:39									#337
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Isn't everybody?

	30-05-2005 04:49									#338
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I love you guys, too.

	30-05-2005 07:04									#339
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quote: Originally posted by Theben I miss him already. He was more fun than MrFun.

That isn't hard - Mr Fun should change his name to Mr Funless

	30-05-2005 07:12									#340
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Way to FAIL

	30-05-2005 10:58									#341
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Hey Agathon and some of you others that actually know a thing or two about this.

Is their any truth in the whole people in NZ before the Maori thing at all, and if there is what truth is in it?

I've heard stuff being spouted and well this place is better than an encyclopedia afterall.

Thanks for any answers.

	30-05-2005 11:17									#342
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quote: Is their any truth in the whole people in NZ before the Maori thing at all, and if there is what truth is in it?

None whatsoever. There are two "myths" one is slightly more well-established than the others.

The first is that the Maori colonists discovered a people called the Moriori, who they conquered and basically exterminated, apart from those who were living on the Chatham Islands. This story was circulated for years. The motivation seems to have been to legitimize the European conquest of New Zealand by showing the Maori to also have taken the land by conquest from its original inhabitants.

It's completely false: there were people calling themselves Moriori on the Chathams, but they weren't a separate race. Like the mainland Maori, they were just another group of descendents of the original colonists from Polynesia. The mainlanders and they had lost contact after the original settlement and it was not resumed until after the Europeans arrived. There are no full-blooded Moriori left – the last died early in the 20th century.

The second is the so-called "Waitaha" theory. This theorizes that there was a people known as Waitaha who preceded Maori. There is absolutely no evidence of this, and it is on the level of the Atlantis theory – it is not taken seriously by any scholars. A number of Maori have adopted this myth as there were tribes who identified themselves under the name "Waitaha" and it suits them politically to be thought of as the original inhabitants. It's all a crock though.

All we really know is that New Zealand was colonized by Polynesians sometime in the 13th to 14th centuries. There is no evidence that they came as a "great fleet" as is often supposed, nor that their journeys were accidental. The Polynesians were the greatest mariners of history – we know that they journeyed as far east as South America and as far west as New Zealand, and we know that they were accomplished navigators. The original colonists ended up spreading over the whole of New Zealand and developed a series of interrelated cultures and dialects that we now identify as Maori.

	30-05-2005 11:25									#343
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Thank you, that clears things up nicely now.

Its amazing how many NZ'ers believe the moriori one especially. Also its actually the first I've heard of the Waitaha one, so thanks for that info as well.

	30-05-2005 11:28									#344
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The Moriori one is partly down to the department of Education who repeated it in school textbooks up until the 80s (along with the myth of the Great Fleet).

Read Michael King's A History of New Zealand. That gives a good overview.

	30-05-2005 11:33									#345
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Cheers again.

And yeah that makes sense considering its usually people who were educated before the 80s that believe the moriori myth.

	30-05-2005 11:40									#346
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Com'on PH, easy up on those curses.

	30-05-2005 11:46									#347
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I wouldn't necessarily call him a f**twit. But yes, he was arrogant, rude, obnoxious, snobbish, insensitive, clueless, ignorant, irrational, illogical, foolish, short-sighted, and egoistical. I'm sure I forgot something.

There's a certain joy to be found in one who is so keen on establishing his magnificence that he appears to forget what the question actually was, and posts a number of links that don't actually advance the debate in any way.

From the link someone posted to another site, I see he also makes the schoolboy error of thinking that the FBI's crime statistics prove that blacks commit many times more crimes than whites.

To be honest, if he's to be believed about his education then it's either a shocking indictment of US schools and colleges, or an awful and sobering display of how mental decline can shatter lives.

	30-05-2005 11:52									#348
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Com'on PH, easy up on those curses.

I don't get your moderatorial policy, UR. I really don't. We get some unhinged white supremacist spraying racist bilge around, and you meet it with vague platitudes asking everyone to chill out. Then when Asher mildly jibes you, you ban him.

If moderators don't act on crap like this, posters will. Emphatically. Why not review this thread and try working out just why Provost got miffed, because you're missing a gigantic point.

	30-05-2005 11:55									#349
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp I don't get your moderatorial policy, UR. I really don't. We get some unhinged white supremacist spraying racist bilge around, and you meet it with vague platitudes asking everyone to chill out. Then when Asher mildly jibes you, you ban him. If moderators don't act on crap like this, posters will. Emphatically. Why not review this thread and try working out just why Provost got miffed, because you're missing a gigantic point.

Quoted for Truth

	31-05-2005 06:11									#350
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon quote: Then explain how it is that while Plato was pontificating on the state of the human and his mind, Africans were running around beating on (ant) hollowed out logs and eating each other? No-one really knows.

Yes we do, it's called evolution. Read a book on it.

	31-05-2005 06:16									#351
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I don't believe that this guy did a graduate degree at a major university with an attitude like that.

Since when is "attitude" a factor in passing a test? You either know the subject matter or you don't, simple as that. If you have been led to believe otherwise, then you are mistaken. What some people refer to as "arrogance" is usually confidence- due to success.

Further, what some people describe as "hate" is nothing more then the cowards way of avoiding true debate. You cannot, try as you might, obviate facts by calling them "hate" the Soviets in both Russia and China tried it, without long term success. Everyone knew in those communist empires that it was BS, no matter how many party aparatchiks claimed it to be truth.

	31-05-2005 06:20									#352
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	31-05-2005 06:23									#353
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You are truly arrogant ER...

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AH, that might get misconstrued. Just a friendly warning...

	31-05-2005 06:30									#355
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eh? I got it here

	31-05-2005 06:33									#356
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I really wish E.Rex would come back. He was a cute little troll.

	31-05-2005 06:37									#357
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bah he's just troll bait - the real pros like Laz just ate him

	31-05-2005 06:40									#358
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Well, given our resident troglodytes have been largely MIA or relatively well-behaved, we have to get our wacky racism from somewhere.

	31-05-2005 06:45									#359
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I say bring back civnation

	31-05-2005 06:47									#360
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quote: Yes we do, it's called evolution. Read a book on it.

So you are claiming that the Greeks were more highly evolved than the other Mediterranean ethnicities. Where is the evidence of that?

quote: Since when is "attitude" a factor in passing a test? You either know the subject matter or you don't, simple as that. If you have been led to believe otherwise, then you are mistaken. What some people refer to as "arrogance" is usually confidence- due to success

Part of doing advanced work at a university is that you get confronted with people who disagree with you. Success depends on being able to take this disagreement more or less well and still get on with your colleagues. You strike me as an unmitigated ass whom everyone would love to hate.