18-06-2005 17:54									#61
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Paddy, I thought I sent you the save? Right after playing the C3CDG turn with Orm? I resend now in any case.

	18-06-2005 18:07									#62
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Thank you Krill for resending the save

A very interesting discussion.

In the spirit of continuity I like Snoops idea...

quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 ..... I'd still like to continue playing the saves, to get it going somewhere, if the decision is no restart. I see no reason why taking 5 minutes to play would hurt us any even if it is restarted ...

IC2 , To Theseus, 3900 BC

Game On even if only till we restart, if that be the outcome of the above discussion...

	18-06-2005 19:53									#63
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Turn sent...

Krill, don't take this the wrong way (ie, not talkin' about skill), but I'll trade civs/starts with you if you'd like.

	18-06-2005 20:00									#64
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No, Theseus, I am happy to continue wandering until I find somewhere half decent. I was not going to even bring up the problem until I let it slip to Paddy. What annoys me is the way Rommel balanced the map.

	18-06-2005 20:08									#65
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I have very much adopted the GS philosophy in this regard... you do the best you can, and that is the measure of skill. Winning is not necessarily the point. :chuckle: I guess that's an AU thing too.

	18-06-2005 20:18									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Krill No, Theseus, I am happy to continue wandering until I find somewhere half decent. I was not going to even bring up the problem until I let it slip to Paddy. What annoys me is the way Rommel balanced the map.

indeed. in this I am willing for a restart if required.

	18-06-2005 22:37									#67
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The map wasn't balanced. It was previewed - it was a randomly generated map ...

	18-06-2005 22:45									#68
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quote: I generated a map and looked at the starts. I moved a few starts where it looked like a player would get clobbered before making contact will all other players. I moved a few resources when it looked like someone would get shut out of iron and/or horses in the ancient era.

Those changes constitute balancing.

	19-06-2005 04:11									#69
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I had no knowledge of who would have what start, therefore my judgement of player skill had no effect on the game whatsoever. Moving start locations and resources were done in the editor before tribes were assigned. This is not balancing, simply trimming the dead-end starts away. It involves no pretentions of equal balancing and cannot be skewed toward any particular player(s)

I only brought up skill level when looking back in review of the situation. I was disappionted by the defeatist attitude displayed but had no intention of intervening in the game at that point- I stated clearly up front all conditions involved in game generation and have adhered to them all the way. A restart would not be fair to the other players counting on the rules to be upheld. But the internals of this game are really up to the players involved so I would do a restart if wholeheartedly desired by everyone...

Last edited by Rommel2D on 19-06-2005 at 04:20

	19-06-2005 05:39									#70
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If I could say just two things:

1) Let us not, any of us, impugn Rommel's efforts here...having set up AU 602 (and frankly, IC2 is a much more intensive project), I respect and applaud what he has put together.

2) As previously discussed, let's keeping playing the turns AQAP for the moment... concurrently, let's do a quick vote on a re-start, using the the following format:

A) No re-start.
B) I am OK either way.
C) Re-start.

I vote B.

	19-06-2005 05:42									#71
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I vote B.

	19-06-2005 06:24									#72
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Thanks T. One veto will block a restart, so the vote should be:
A) No restart
B) I'm OK with a restart
(both votes stand :-)

As this would be a change from the initial rules, I would like to add one stipulation to the restart: Krill's selected tribe from the first game will be discarded and the next available one from his choices will be used instead (and I say this without looking at what those choices are...)

Last edited by Rommel2D on 19-06-2005 at 06:30

	19-06-2005 07:03									#73
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That's fine.

	19-06-2005 14:27									#74
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er, I'll wait until the end to vote.

And I can't remember what my next civ is any way...

Last edited by Krill on 19-06-2005 at 14:52

	19-06-2005 19:22									#75
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I vote B

	20-06-2005 05:17									#76
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So, it is up to snoopy I guess...

	20-06-2005 06:34									#77
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I do not want a restart, sorry.

Sent btw - apologies for taking a full 36 hours, but I worked slash commuted until 5:45am this morning

	20-06-2005 06:38									#78
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Game On

ahhh, so who has the save then?

	20-06-2005 06:41									#79
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Sir Stenz does. I meant to play the save a few hours ago (while sir_stenz is probably awake) but after starting my computer i totally spaced Quite tired still.

	20-06-2005 06:46									#80
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Cheers mate

Only a few days to go for some really cool R & R

	20-06-2005 16:31									#81
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It is Krills turn....

	20-06-2005 21:28									#82
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at last, what's that just over the horizon...

to Paddy...

	21-06-2005 01:00									#83
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IC2 , To Theseus, 385 BC.SAV

	21-06-2005 01:41									#84
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3800bc to snoop

	21-06-2005 01:48									#85
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wow, 3 of 5 online at the moment...
I wonder if we will get to a point where we could organise a game session and knock over a stack of turns

It would be good to try in these early years

	21-06-2005 01:52									#86
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If we could al meet it would be great. Only problem is that I have school all his week, so the only nights I can stay up until the early hours are 24/06/05, and that is it for about a fortnight.

	21-06-2005 07:03									#87
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I work tomorrow and wednesday, though tomorrow is until 3pm (so get home at 4pm = 10pm GMT). Thursday 6/23 i have off all day, but 6/24 is the start of my vacation, which will have limited access - I will play some turns but not a lot I suspect.

Turn sent.

	21-06-2005 07:18									#88
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I'm pretty available now... in a week and change I am relo'ing to the Dom Republic (all the women look like that crazy avatar ) for a while... I am arranging for high speed Internet access, but it may be spotty for a bit.

	21-06-2005 07:34									#89
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ahh well maybe not this week

yet if we can keep it in mind we may get a session or two in before December

	21-06-2005 07:40									#90
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You mean November, right?