11-06-2005 01:38									#31
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If you have ever played Total Annihilation you'd know how annoying it can be when the tanks take off on you.

	11-06-2005 01:38									#32
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flash tank rush...

	11-06-2005 01:41									#33
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yeah, it would of been funnier if that dude was flashing those tanks

	11-06-2005 01:44									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Japher If you have ever played Total Annihilation you'd know how annoying it can be when the tanks take off on you.

C&C has this problem too. Especially with the construction dozers...

	11-06-2005 01:45									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger "6.4 Event" (that's how we* call it, not some silly sensationalistic "Tiannanmen Massacre")

Hundreds of unarmed protesters were killed. It was a massacre.

	11-06-2005 01:48									#36
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quote: C&C has this problem too. Especially with the construction dozers...

Yeah, stupid harvesters, harvesting in the middle of the enemy camp!!

	11-06-2005 01:49									#37
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That protestor was a hero.

	11-06-2005 02:11									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Hundreds of unarmed protesters were killed. It was a massacre.

The Glorious Chinese Peoples' Government does not "kill" its people. "Massacre" is such a silly sensationalistic word for something that didn't happen.

	11-06-2005 02:18									#39
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If the tank had kept on rolling would it not have simply knocked him down and then passed right over him? Tanks usually have pretty high road clearence.

	11-06-2005 02:20									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Japher yeah, it would of been funnier if that dude was flashing those tanks

	11-06-2005 02:21									#41
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Very pretty lighting arrangement at the front!

	11-06-2005 02:29									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Japher That dude had a spear in his pocket, and that's why the tanks were scared - FACT!

From the OP of a thread I posted a while ago:

	11-06-2005 02:33									#43
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/75679.stm

quote: Watch BBC correspondent Henry Tang's report The lone Chinese protester who brought a column of tanks to a standstill in Tiananmen Square during the 1989 crackdown was never arrested and is still at large, a Hong Kong-based dissident group has said. Seven hundren people were killed in the Tiananmen Square crackdown Chinese students who supported the pro-democracy movement captured the attention of the world's media with their seven-week occupation of Tiananmen Square in June nine years ago. However, the most memorable images are of a young man, carrying what appears to be a shopping bag, who refused to move out of the way of the advancing tanks. He then climbed onto the leading tank and spoke to the driver. The Information Centre for Human Rights and Democracy Movement in China says it has obtained official documents that show the Chinese government does not know what happened to him. Although the man was initially identified as Wang Weilin, the documents suggest the name was false. In response to an inquiry, President Jiang Zemin is said to have blamed journalists for giving authorities the wrong name. The Chinese government gave up looking for the man after checking lists of the dead and imprisoned. Time magazine has cited the unidentified protester as one of the "top 20 leaders and revolutionaries" of the 20th century. Dubbing him "the Unknown Rebel," the American news journal said his moment of fame was seen by more people than laid eyes on Winston Churchill, Albert Einstein and James Joyce combined. Chinese authorities sent tanks into Tiananmen Square in the early hours of June 4, 1989 to break up an extended demonstration by Chinese student activists. Several hundred people were reported to have been killed. China has never admitted publicly that there were any deaths as a result of the crackdown.

	11-06-2005 02:35									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Hundreds of unarmed protesters were killed. It was a massacre.

Some soldiers were killed too.

	11-06-2005 02:38									#45
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Some soldiers were killed too.

I can't find anything that says they were killed by the protestors, though, or that suggests that the protestors were violent. Everything indicates the opposite.

	11-06-2005 02:38									#46
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Those tanks are only good for running people over in C&C Generals.

	11-06-2005 02:40									#47
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Comanches
Laser Defense Turrets
Ion Cannons

	11-06-2005 02:43									#48
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Some soldiers were killed too.

Friendly fire accidents happens even when shooting at unarmed people.

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Pathfinders

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	11-06-2005 02:54									#50
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Yeah, the Pathfinders are the best units in the game.

	11-06-2005 02:56									#51
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Get the expansion. Pathfinders + Fire Bases = insane pwnage.

(Fire Bases shoot decent-ranged arty shells that are good against infantry and particularly tanks. They can also accomodate 4 infantry that shoot out.)

	11-06-2005 03:09									#52
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Stealth units are over-rated in that game: Too easily detected.

Brute force from a safe distance

	12-06-2005 08:14									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I can't find anything that says they were killed by the protestors, though, or that suggests that the protestors were violent. Everything indicates the opposite.

Huh? Where are you looking?

Protesters killed a number of soldiers, I think a couple dozen. Most were burned or beaten to death.

Forget about students at T Square, most of the killing happened actually on the streets leading to it, where Beijing residents had erected barricades of overturned buses and trucks. When the army reached the barricades, they opened fire on the civilians manning them. Some of the citizens were armed, but mostly with things like sticks, kitchen knives, molotov cocktails, and the like. No match for AK47 fire, but they did manage to kill some soldiers (who the CCP later declared to be "heros").

As for the students, most were peacefully evacuated from the square after brokering an agreement with the army.

The number of deaths is hard to calculate because many died later, of gunshot wounds, in their homes (hospitals were too dangerous) and in later nation-wide round-ups by various gov't intelligence agencies. These figures will probably remain secret as long as the CCP controls China.

	12-06-2005 08:37									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger There's a lot of spin in that... Of all Polytubbies I thought you would have a better grip of what happened. "6.4 Event" (that's how we* call it, not some silly sensationalistic "Tiannanmen Massacre") was started as an anti-corruption movement, not blah freedom blah. "Freedom" is completely debased nowadays that it means about as much as "synergy." However it still sounds good and is a nice stick to bash other people's heads. * Everybody in Hong Kong.

Wow! I've never seen a Chinese person open with the "everyone knows that" defense. They usually save that for when they've been beaten a few times.

	13-06-2005 21:01									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger There's a lot of spin in that... Of all Polytubbies I thought you would have a better grip of what happened. "6.4 Event" (that's how we* call it, not some silly sensationalistic "Tiannanmen Massacre") was started as an anti-corruption movement, not blah freedom blah. "Freedom" is completely debased nowadays that it means about as much as "synergy." However it still sounds good and is a nice stick to bash other people's heads. * Everybody in Hong Kong.

Sorry to just get around to answering this, but I wanted to correct a little error of omission.

What UR didn't mention to you was that the Chinese refering to the event as "6-4" has nothing to do with a lack of sensationalism, it's just a Chinese linguistic convention. Other similar famous days or events are routinely referred to in the "#-#" format. The student demonstrations of the May Fourth Movement are "5-4" The day mourners defied gov't wishes to remember Zhou Enlai: "4-5". "May Day" is "5-1". It's a naming convention, not a statement.

Well, at least we are no longer debating whether or not anyone was actually killed on "6-4".

	13-06-2005 21:05									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I can't find anything that says they were killed by the protestors, though, or that suggests that the protestors were violent. Everything indicates the opposite.

Go back and watch some of the video. One of the APC's had a molotov cocktail thrown at it (this was before the massacre).

	13-06-2005 21:09									#58
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quote: Originally posted by mindseye Well, at least we are no longer debating whether or not anyone was actually killed on "6-4".

I don't think anyone denied that. It was whether anyone died in Tienamen Square itself. As you note, all the dying occured elswhere. Hence, Tianamen Square Massacre is a bit of a misnomer, kinda like the Battle of Bunker Hill.

	13-06-2005 21:13									#59
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