13-06-2005 11:32									#31
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I say we just force the removal of the United Kingdom from United States as the 51st state and revert back to our 50 states.

	13-06-2005 17:54									#32
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell This is the kind of thing that passes for news in the UK?

What with the disappointing lack of convenient other countries to invade so we can show media coverage 24 hours a day, or high profile celebrity paedophiles, we sometimes have to make do with domestic policy in the news.

	13-06-2005 19:37									#33
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Need to keep the nation scared about something or they might not allow you to remove even more of our freedoms.

	13-06-2005 20:23									#34
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why are english behaving like immigrants in their own country? don't they have respect?

	13-06-2005 22:25									#35
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dis-respect is the new fashion of youth culture.
Its part come from drug/gang culture here based on the american 'hood' gang system.

So under pressure from old folks scarred to leave their homes and other law abiding citizens getting intimidated by gangs of kids(it sounds lame, but they do carry knives often, and other weapons), the government has been forced to fight back.

I think the long term best interest would be to introduce compulsory national service in the army for any kids that get an asbo or conviction against them.

Failing that i'll vote for any party that would offer a 'Battle Royale' option for our dear yobs, let them kill each other rather than unsuspecting passers by

	13-06-2005 22:37									#36
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quote: Failing that i'll vote for any party that would offer a 'Battle Royale' option for our dear yobs, let them kill each other rather than unsuspecting passers by

so this is how it starts.....

	13-06-2005 22:45									#37
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/cr...sp?story=646251 quote: Curfew nation: summer purge on yobs Thousands of streets across the country will become no-go zones for teenage yobs and other troublemakers as part of a massive summer clampdown by police against anti-social behaviour. More than 100 special zones have been mapped out as part of a zero-tolerance crackdown against drug-taking, underage drinking and alcohol-related violence in cities throughout England. In some areas curfews will be imposed, allowing police to clear groups of youths from the street after 9pm. An investigation by The Independent on Sunday can reveal that police are rushing to apply for special licences, which ban troublemakers from specific areas with the threat of fines of £2,500 or a prison sentence for anyone breaking the curfew. The clampdown follows a drive against lawlessness and crime by the Government to protect neighbourhoods from being terrorised and intimidated by small numbers of out-of-control troublemakers. A third of these "dispersal areas" will be in London, with anyone causing a nuisance barred from the heart of the capital, including parts of Soho and Oxford Street. The schemes are also being introduced in Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle and Bristol. Curfew zones are designated with the agreement of a chief constable and local authority. Dispersal notices within these designated zones can be imposed for a period of up to 24 hours. Anyone who has been banned from a zone and who breaches the order faces a fine of up to £2,500 and a jail sentence. Some big cities have already applied for more than one order. Bristol will have 10 zones in place this summer and Liverpool more than 20. The anti-yob blitz has been prompted by a wave of violent incidents involving teenage gangs including the "happy slapping" craze, where teenagers attack their victim and film the assault on a mobile phone. The latest of these attacks occurred last week when yobs with an air rifle fired on a 17-year-old girl. Last week ministers unveiled their blueprint to curb violent crime and disorder. This included banning drunken youths from pubs and bars for up to two years, closing down pubs and shops caught selling alcohol to children and new penalties on the use and sales of knives and guns. It is understood ministers are also planning a u-turn on teenage-friendly proposals to provide more leisure opportunities and outlets where they can socialise in the evenings. The youth Green Paper, which will be published later this year, is being radically reworded so that it reflects the Government's tough stance on yob-related behaviour and emphasises the need for respect among young people. Other measures endorsed by ministers include a ban by the Bluewater shopping centre in Kent on youths wearing hooded tops. The Home Office has also indicated that it will increase the use of uniforms for people on community service. Despite research showing that crime levels are falling in Britain, violent crime has increased and there is a widespread fear among the public of becoming a victim of crime. But reform groups last night warned that the new "anti-yobbery" measures, including dispersal orders, are unworkable and draconian and will lead to the jailing of increasing numbers of young people. Rob Allen, a member of the Youth Justice Board, said that dispersal orders were not a solution. "All you end up doing is displacing the problem," said Mr Allen, director of the International Centre for Prison Studies. "The danger is that all these measures end up as a fast track into custody." The curfews and dispersal orders will run alongside anti-social behaviour orders (Asbos). Asbos have been heralded as a great success in curbing the behaviour of young people with a history of offending. However, the increasing use of Asbos was attacked last week by the European human rights commissioner Alvaro Gil-Robles who warned that the naming and shaming of people, especially youngsters subject to Asbos, breached their human rights. i'm missing the word on the US equivalent of this....

I just found out they are closing the Las Vegas strip to teenagers at night even if they are walking. They started banning teenagers from driving the strip (with nevada license plates) in the 80's because they were creating too much traffic. Now they have gone to restricting foot traffic. They say it's not a safe place for teen.

	13-06-2005 22:46									#38
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quote: Originally posted by child of Thor dis-respect is the new fashion of youth culture. Its part come from drug/gang culture here based on the american 'hood' gang system.

condolences. can't you create some positive models for those kids?

	13-06-2005 22:55									#39
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@ Markos('so this is how it starts?'), maybe?

Still we seem to have a growing vacum of good parenting that is breeding a generation of kids not good for a positive role in society. TV might in part be to blame, Computer games too? Its an age old problem that has just started to rear its head again in this younger generation. So what do we do?

I dont think we have any easy answers in front of us. But a combination of the re-introduction of school sports fields and sports at school as a regular part of education, better food - ban all 'junk food' from school menus(the tv chef jamie Oliver has had some success with this in certain schools and seen an unexpected rise in the quality of students work and attendance).

I wasn't realy serious about the battle royale thing

BUT re-introducing National Service i would be in favour of for the kids that are causing problems.

1. It gives them some much needed discipline.
2. It provides a good flow of recruits, something the army has been having trouble getting.

3. It will give them a job, and maybe a trade for when they get out.

4. It will keep them of the streets creating all the problems they do currently.

I dont think this is a severe move, or even a fascist one.

	13-06-2005 22:56									#40
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does this problem exist in other countries as well? say sweden? what do your media tell you?

	13-06-2005 22:59									#41
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or you could just throw all the trouble makers into the military instead of having a draft. . Of course, that's going to give you the worst of the worst. Not the best thing for your militaries.

	13-06-2005 23:07									#42
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Chavs would probably the best hand-to-hand combatants in the army. All that experience....

	13-06-2005 23:08									#43
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they're the face of the UK abroad, a rather pityful one

	13-06-2005 23:25									#44
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Coming from you paiktis, that is a terrible indictment.