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*How stable and bug-free do you expect Civilization IV* will be?** (Time out:0 days after 12-06-2005, 22:28)
	It will be perfect!
	Almost completely bug-free out of the box
	Mostly bug-free, nothing a patch or two can't fix
	Mostly bug-free, but not all of the few issues that will arise will be dealt with
	Mostly bug-free, but the bugs that are there won't be fixed
	Fairly bug-free, it will take several patches but then it will be okay
	Fairly bug-free, but Firaxis will only partially fix the issues that will arise
	Fairly bug-free, but we'll have to live with those bugs
	There will be bugs, but Firaxis will be commited to fixing them
	There will be bugs, some will be fixed, some won't be
	There will be bugs, better get used to them because they're not going anywhere
	Buggy, but all problems will be fixed in due time
	Buggy, some problems will be fixed but not all
	Buggy, and many problems won't be fixed
	Barely playable, but that will be remedied eventually
	Barely playable, the jury is out on if that will be remedied
	Barely playable, and Firaxis won't bother to change that
	That SDK better be good, because if the fans won't fix it, the game won't be playable
	It's already a lost cause, why is Firaxis still working on this game?
	I don't know yet
	Other/Banana

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Solver

Apolyton Duke Of Something

Latvia, Riga
Sep 2000
time: 07:34

15-06-2005 17:37

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#61

Put an end to popups!

So Soren never told you that Yin is being tortured in the Firaxis basement, forced to play Civ3 all day long?

MarkG

Grand Lord of Apolyton, Owner of all this land as far as the eye can see

Donate to the Red Cross

Macedonia, Greece
Jan 1970
time: 07:34

15-06-2005 17:44

Visit MarkG<br><img src=/forums/images/admin-icon.gif>'s homepage!

#62

Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

i can not comment on this information

Dr Zoidberg

King

Communist Party of Apolyton
Jan 2002
time: 06:34

16-06-2005 00:13

#63

Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

In a time of ancient gods, warlords, and kings,
A website in turmoil cried out for a hero. He was Yin26,
a mighty warrior, forged in the heat of battle.
The power... the passion... the danger...
His courage will change the world...

Kaak

King

Lost
May 1999
time: 23:34

16-06-2005 15:22

#64

Remove this text

quote:
Originally posted by Solver
So Soren never told you that Yin is being tortured in the Firaxis basement, forced to play Civ3 all day long?

oh god, the terror....

GAZ082

Warlord

Buenos Aires, Argentina
Jul 2004
time: 02:34

18-06-2005 22:52

#65

Increase Your PM Length

quote:
Originally posted by Nikolai
"There will be bugs, some will be fixed, some won't be"

Only a few developers, like Paradox, actually commit themselves to fixing the game properly. Firaxis is not one of them. But I suspect they will be as supportive as they were with Civ3.

Paradox rules because they are not pressed by anyone except the fans. They make cool games and have time to support them because they are game fans that know their customers. In the other hands, they games are rather simple except the events, where reside most of the bugs and those can be corrected editing simple but huge text files.

And besides, they are swedish, why bother to push games and get more money if the goverment will leave them only like 10% of their revenue

Commander Bello

Settler

near Koblenz, Germany
Feb 2004
time: 06:34

19-06-2005 05:23

#66

Inflate your Upload Space

Buggy, some problems will be fixed but not all

Based on the experience with Civ3 and its expansions, obviously.

Vince278

King

Dec 2002
time: 05:34

19-06-2005 15:24

#67

Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Yet another poll on something we have no data from which to form a worthy opinion. I guess I still don't get it. Sorry.

GAZ082

Warlord

Buenos Aires, Argentina
Jul 2004
time: 02:34

19-06-2005 19:40

#68

Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Bummer.

MarkG

Grand Lord of Apolyton, Owner of all this land as far as the eye can see

Donate to the Red Cross

Macedonia, Greece
Jan 1970
time: 07:34

19-06-2005 21:20

#69

Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote:
Originally posted by Vince278
Yet another poll on something we have no data from which to form a worthy opinion. I guess I still don't get it. Sorry.
it's just like elections

Vince278

King

Dec 2002
time: 05:34

20-06-2005 07:11

#70

Full PM-box? Change here!

quote:
Originally posted by MarkG
it's just like elections

Theben

Emperor

Dance Dance for the Revolution!
Jan 1970
time: 00:34

06-07-2005 20:01

#71

Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

No Yin yet.

Theben

Emperor

Dance Dance for the Revolution!
Jan 1970
time: 00:34

06-07-2005 20:02

#72

Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

btw I voted fairly bug-free, will need several patches.

Aro

Emperor

Ipanema
Jul 2002
time: 02:34

06-07-2005 22:02

#73

Remove this text

I'm optimistic.
"Mostly bug-free, nothing a patch or two can't fix"

Unspeakable Horror

Emperor

Oct 1999
time: 02:34

07-07-2005 00:49

#74

Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Lots of optimism ...that SDK better be good anyway

yin26

Emperor

This space reserved for Darkstar.
Apr 1999
time: 14:34

08-07-2005 01:40

#75

Tired of ads?

quote:
Originally posted by Adm.Naismith

BTW, I bet also my cyberfriend Yin26 will enjoy this Civ IV... as the preview mentioned so many old List suggestions

Wow. Would bring a tear to the eye!

yin26

Emperor

This space reserved for Darkstar.
Apr 1999
time: 14:34

08-07-2005 01:42

#76

Get a bigger avatar today!

quote:
Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg
In a time of ancient gods, warlords, and kings,
A website in turmoil cried out for a hero. He was Yin26,
a mighty warrior, forged in the heat of battle.
The power... the passion... the danger...
His courage will change the world...

... and then he got pissed off and became a lurker!

yin26

Emperor

This space reserved for Darkstar.
Apr 1999
time: 14:34

08-07-2005 01:44

#77

Get a bigger avatar today!

quote:
Originally posted by Solver
So Soren never told you that Yin is being tortured in the Firaxis basement, forced to play Civ3 all day long?

Actually, you know Rise of Legends? I've been writing all the graphic routines myself. Spare time you know. Visit the basement (at BHG!), say hey to my bros, toss back a diet Coke, whip up some visuals.

Soren, by the way, e-mails me the AI code for Civ 4 on a regular basis. I now have a build with something really cool: The computer sends massive amounts of settlers early on and builds right next to you. Awesome! Also, I'm going to make building on rivers give you insane bonuses. Just like real life. I'm telling you man, this is going to blow the lid off of Civ!

It's all good.

Last edited by yin26 on 08-07-2005 at 02:02

Mountain Sage

King

Feb 2003
time: 05:34

24-07-2005 00:11

#78

Inflate your Upload Space

Ah,

My '1 gold' worth of wisdom...

MS rule about bugs (in Civ IV):

Quote: The number of bugs is inversely proportional to the time allowed to the beta testers* to play the game.

* as Alexman, Arrian, Dominae, etc.

Question: you DID use beta testers, didn't you????

Boris Godunov

King

Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:34

09-08-2005 20:37

#79

Suffering from ads?

I don't know. Who the hell knows? How could anyone tell at this point?

Boris Godunov

King

Portland, OR
Aug 2001
time: 00:34

09-08-2005 20:40

#80

Remove this text

Re: Take2 interactive:

AFAIK, their games are pretty solid out of the box and don't have dramatic bug problems. However, keep in mind that they just got hit with the whole GTA: San Andreas debacle, which is costing them millions of dollars. That could color their attitudes towards pushing Civ4 out the door ASAP, as well as towards how much they will devote to bug fixing.

Rubychaser

Prince

Range Rover
Dec 2003
time: 16:34

16-08-2005 13:24

#81

Support Apolyton

It will be perfect!

GeoModder

Emperor

The most erratic Overlord!
Jan 2004
time: 06:34

16-08-2005 14:46

#82

Tired of ads?

Does this still run?

Nikolai

Emperor

Bergen, Norway
Oct 2000
time: 06:34

16-08-2005 15:59

#83

Inflate your Upload Space

I guess the one's responsible is on vacation or something.

Ninot

King

Centre Bell
Nov 2001
time: 00:34

16-08-2005 19:25

#84

Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

we could post our own.

but what should it be about?

CyberShy

Emperor

Delft, The Netherlands
Mar 1999
time: 06:34

16-08-2005 20:45

#85

Full PM-box? Change here!

If all the weeks of my life'll last as long as this "weekly" poll, I'll be oooooooooooooold!

realpolitic

Prince

Rogue States of America
Mar 2002
time: 21:34

18-08-2005 01:31

#86

Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

It won't be perfect; By the second game I'll be making the easiest fix, adjusting the price of units, wonders and improvements to reflect reality. Early wonders often cost too much, submarines always are too expensive.

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