14-06-2005 15:09									#31
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funny the crowd here...

No no the iPod is soo bad don't buy it, look at this Zen thing that's much greater.. Apple is teh evil!
Ah you stupid, the Zen is teh gay, the iPod teh style.
Ha but the Zen supports more formats and everyone uses WMA
Pah, everyone uses mp3
But Apple is teh evil
And WMA teh evil Microsoft and the sound qu4l1ty of this Zen is teh suxxors
No stupid, the qu4l1ty of this iPod is teh suxxors
...


At least the kids have something to do

	14-06-2005 23:45									#32
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Okaaay... I seem to have unleashed some pretty intense emotions from some people with my seemingly innocuous question.

The consensus seems to be either the iPod mini or Zen Micro. So, unless anyone else has any suggestions I'll trundle down to the store tomorrow, procrastinate between the two for a while before making my choice.

Thanks again!

	14-06-2005 23:47									#33
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Play with both of them. Put them in your hand, see which one fits better. Play with the interface, see if you can listen to them, etc.

	14-06-2005 23:53									#34
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quote: Originally posted by ixnay I recommend something besides the iPod (my fiancee has one) unless you're a fan of a crappy interface on the player, poor support for transferring music (iTunes is crap so we use the Winamp plugin and the iPod never ejects properly from my home computer), or random deletion of all your songs (which has happened a couple times).

Crappy interface? I never had the problems you have. Never.

	14-06-2005 23:59									#35
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quote: Originally posted by our_man Okaaay... I seem to have unleashed some pretty intense emotions from some people with my seemingly innocuous question. The consensus seems to be either the iPod mini or Zen Micro. So, unless anyone else has any suggestions I'll trundle down to the store tomorrow, procrastinate between the two for a while before making my choice. Thanks again!

Don't worry, Asher and Agathon are like an old couple, they love to argue. I'm sure that if either one of them would die, the other one would soon follow. Glonkie and Aggie forever

	15-06-2005 00:02									#36
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Don't forget to compare battery life. Zen has a longer battery life.

	15-06-2005 00:11									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Don't forget to compare battery life. Zen has a longer battery life.

Wrong. Like I pointed out in my previous post, the iPod's Mini battery life is 18 hours, whereas the Zen micro's is 12 hours.

	15-06-2005 00:16									#38
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Wrong. Like I pointed out in my previous post, the iPod's battery life is 18 hours, whereas the Zen micro's is 12 hours.

The iPod Mini is 18 hours, the iPod is 12 hours.
Zen Micro is 12 hours, Zen Touch is 24 hours.

The catch is the Zen Micro's battery is removable, meaning you can have 2 batteries if you wanted to. Or when the battery's life starts to wane (as Li-Ion batteries do), you can easily swap it out without buying a new player.

Extra Micro batteries are $39.99: http://us.creative.com/products/pro...7&product=11215

	15-06-2005 00:21									#39
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quote: The iPod Mini is 18 hours, the iPod is 12 hours. Zen Micro is 12 hours, Zen Touch is 24 hours. The catch is the Zen Micro's battery is removable, meaning you can have 2 batteries if you wanted to. Or when the battery's life starts to wane (as Li-Ion batteries do), you can easily swap it out without buying a new player.

Here's what I wrote in my previous post:

quote: Battery life: iPod Mini is 18 hours right now. According to Tom's Hardware review, the battery life of the Zen Micro is 10 hours (12 according to the Creative website). The iPod wins. (Otoh, you can easily change the battery on the Zen. But of course you'll have to buy that extra battery. On the iPod, you can't change the battery yourself)

You can't say I wasn't fair. The Zen touch isn't a contender here, since he wants a really small player. That's why I suggested either a Flash player or a microdrive player.

	15-06-2005 00:34									#40
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Crappy interface? I never had the problems you have. Never.

Well, that's good to know. I just thought I'd let the original poster know the problems I've had with the iPod.

	15-06-2005 01:02									#41
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You might want to check out iAudio. Better quality IMO than Creative, Apple, etc. I've recently gotten one their 1 GB flash players, the U2. And I'm very satisfied.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...ronics&n=507846

	15-06-2005 01:57									#42
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quote: Originally posted by ixnay Well, that's good to know. I just thought I'd let the original poster know the problems I've had with the iPod.

Let me rephrase that: I never heard of these problems occuring, so the problem is probably the user, not the player

	15-06-2005 01:58									#43
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Let me rephrase that: I never heard of these problems occuring, so the problem is probably the user, not the player

Then it's not very user-friendly is it. Perhaps it's the crappy interface earier mentioned.

	15-06-2005 02:02									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Then it's not very user-friendly is it. Perhaps it's the crappy interface earier mentioned.

Its user-friendly all right, but it ain't foolproof

	15-06-2005 07:59									#45
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Wrong. Like I pointed out in my previous post, the iPod's Mini battery life is 18 hours, whereas the Zen micro's is 12 hours.

I was comparing the hard drive players.

	15-06-2005 08:07									#46
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Um... iPod Mini and Zen Micro ARE hard drive players!

	15-06-2005 08:46									#47
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The Zen Touch vs the regular Ipod.

	15-06-2005 08:55									#48
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Why are you arguing about that? About 5 points above that comparison post Our_Man said he was deciding between the iPod Mini and Zen Micro.