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Lefty Scaevola is offline Lefty Scaevola
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I hear he is so disgusted with the USA, that he is moving to Australia.

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that's great news for us...bad news for Australia. Sorry Aussies.

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Speaking of which, anybody know why the MJ thread was locked?

No at the moment got a few folks here asking the same question. Me being one of them since i was the last to post.

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This just further underscores my belief that if you're fabulously wealthy and/or are a celebrity, you can get away with damn near anything if it's bad enough.

That was Martha Stewart's mistake--she committed white collar crime, not a ****in' rape/murder spree.

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Next are we going to be hear he got off cause he was black. There have been lots of rich celebrities that have been punished and spent time in jail. He got off cause the state didnt prove its case.

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Speaking of which, anybody know why the MJ thread was locked?


No Clue... UR closed it. My first thought was that this thread got started, and the original was closed because the verdict was in... the poll was now meaninglesss... so it was time to post in the Innocent thread.

But, I now see that this thread was started AFTER the other thread was closed... so you will have to ask UR about it.

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Next are we going to be hear he got off cause he was black. There have been lots of rich celebrities that have been punished and spent time in jail. He got off cause the state didnt prove its case.


Wait, Michael Jackson's Black? Since when?

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Next are we going to be hear he got off cause he was black. There have been lots of rich celebrities that have been punished and spent time in jail. He got off cause the state didnt prove its case.


Frankly, the prosecution, imho, didn't run a good case. Furthermore, I honestly don't give a damn if Jackson did it or not, even though I'm leaning in the direction that he didn't. The man's unfit to raise children, but he's never, so far as I know, done anything to intentionally harm them.

On the other hand, if he weren't rich/famous, and charges like this were brought up, I'd be willing to bet my left hand that he'd've been sent to the slammer to be made White Power Bill's little *****.

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Wait, Michael Jackson's Black? Since when?

Well Im going to go out on a limb here but i would say maybe since birth

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As far as the second issue i have never heard of him tryng to harm his own children. Yes he is a freak amongst most folks. The da in this case ****ed up. I havent been convinced that mj did a thing wrong but care for a sick kid.

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This just further underscores my belief that if you're fabulously wealthy and/or are a celebrity, you can get away with damn near anything if it's bad enough.

That was Martha Stewart's mistake--she committed white collar crime, not a ****in' rape/murder spree.


Martha Stewart was found guilty because she's a successful woman. And men are threatened by successful women. It's a horrible world we live in. If she was a man, she would have got off.

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As far as the second issue i have never heard of him tryng to harm his own children. Yes he is a freak amongst most folks. The da in this case ****ed up. I havent been convinced that mj did a thing wrong but care for a sick kid.


well.. he did hold his child out a window.

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well being as that is true i dont think he was doing it to hurt the kid but rather to show the child off. However that dont make a whole lot of sense since he was always putting masks on the other kids. Publicity only thing i can come up with

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I hear he is so disgusted with the USA, that he is moving to Australia.


I hear he's so pleased with the verdict he's organising a slumber party

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Martha Stewart was found guilty because she's a successful woman. And men are threatened by successful women. It's a horrible world we live in. If she was a man, she would have got off.


.........and convicting her took the pressure off of more serious cases of corporate wrongdoing. Face it, she was expendable.

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she was also pretty dumb about it

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If we are going to get into martha stewart the ***** was far more guilty then mj and i think everyone knows it.

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I think we have MJ fan here....... walk toward the light Mrs T, everything will okay

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Gotta agree, just no conclusive proof the kid was molested. And Martha Stewart was guilty as hell.

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of course she was guilty. But she would have never been charged in the first place if she was a man. People tend to look the other way on that type of crime.

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Martha Stewart did jail time for lying to a Fed. I despise her, but there's no way that the punishment was appropriate to the crime.

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For the reord i am not as mj fan I could give a rats ass if the dude lived sang or ran away to australia. I just stated the obviious the da failed to prove his guilt jumped the gun and made a mockery of the courts. Think of all the taxpayers that had to put in their tax dollars to support a non evidential trial to begin with. The trial and charges were a freaking joke. As far as stewart she was freaking guilty as hell. I dont care if he was a mule dressed in a suit she did what she was accused of and then to top it off she got off ****ing easy less then a lear in prison, federel prison i hardly see as punishment for robbing thousands of people of their hard earned money

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For the reord i am not as mj fan I could give a rats ass if the dude lived sang or ran away to australia. I just stated the obviious the da failed to prove his guilt jumped the gun and made a mockery of the courts. Think of all the taxpayers that had to put in their tax dollars to support a non evidential trial to begin with. The trial and charges were a freaking joke. As far as stewart she was freaking guilty as hell. I dont care if he was a mule dressed in a suit she did what she was accused of and then to top it off she got off ****ing easy less then a lear in prison, federel prison i hardly see as punishment for robbing thousands of people of their hard earned money


I admit that I've forgotten a lot about the details of her trial, but what happened to the broker? She was accussed of using inside information to make a profit on stock trading right? Her broker gave her the information, yet got away scott free. It seems to me that his crime was the greater. It's like having a drug dealer rat out his customers and letting him go free.

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he was convicted as well. though he hasn't served any prison time that I know of. He elected to try to appeal first. Where Stewart elected to get the prison time over with and then appeal later (which I doubt she will do- since she's guilty )

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I admit that I've forgotten a lot about the details of her trial, but what happened to the broker? She was accussed of using inside information to make a profit on stock trading right? Her broker gave her the information, yet got away scott free. It seems to me that his crime was the greater. It's like having a drug dealer rat out his customers and letting him go free.
She was not and could not be charged with insider trader because she was not an insider and did not recieve infromation from an insider. She got it from a stockbroker, and pivate citzens are not charge with a duty to investigage whether their stockbrocker has properly obtained the info he is peddling. The only thing she is convicted of is lying to the goverment during the investigation of the stockborkers and the insiders. IIRC she was not convicted of obstuction of justice. Other bogus charges regarding statements about her own company 'doing fine' were uncerimoniously tossed out by the Judge. She was dumb to lie. She could have told them everthing about the info she got from the stockborker and been scott-free. 'Its a bad thing'.

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She was not and could not be charged with insider trader because she was not an insider and did not recieve infromation from an insider. She got it from a stockbroker, and pivate citzens are not charge with a duty to investigage whether their stockbrocker has properly obtained the info he is peddling. The only thing she is convicted of is lying to the goverment during the investigation of the stockborkers and the insiders. IIRC she was not convicted of obstuction of justice. Other bogus charges regarding statements about her own company 'doing fine' were uncerimoniously tossed out by the Judge. She was dumb to lie. She could have told them everthing about the info she got from the stockborker and been scott-free. 'Its a bad thing'.


If you receive "inside information" and make money from it I'm certain that you can be held legally culpable, at least for conspiracy. What I heard was that the broker offered the information to her. IIRC the broker made a bargain with the government to get off if he testified against her.

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They guy we are talking about is man she was dating. so he was nore then a stockbroker to her and i do believe he got penalized just dont recall the penalties

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no diss she isnt a lesbo as far as i know she was dating the guy who was giving her the tips.

 
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