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Mar 2004
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Originally posted by Dissident
I don't know anyone who owns a tank or military aircraft (with weapons)
europeans sure have funny views of the U.S. |
About a week ago on the Discovery channel, it showed a British man driving his tank onto a ferry, crossing the English Channel, and going into France...he was licensed of course...
Later in the show, that same man and many others played a reinactment of a WWII battle with their own tanks and artillery...another American that supplies working tanks for Hollywood owns numerous soviet tanks, most of them more powerful than the current American light tanks...he also owned a cruise missile...he disarmed it, of course, but it is still in usable condition if he ever wanted to use it...
So, how much do you know about your own nation?
The fact is, the people hired to provide working tanks for Hollywood have a larger "army" than some nations...obviously, not any powerful nations or ones that anybody has heard of, but still...
Also, the United States dedicates a significant part of its military to its prized navy and air force...I'm sorry, but when you want to control land and fight resistance, it don't matter how many planes and boats you got, it's good ol' infantry that do that...and even if the entire U.S. military, all 2 milliion of them, were part of the army, including the airmen and seamen, they'd still have to fight almost 300 million angry Americans, a good number of them owning a weapon, and of course, many owning multiple weapons...
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:18
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Originally posted by Lancer
che, you're dreaming. First you need an unpopular government, |
Hence my point about a crisis of legitimacy. Popular governments don't have those, and goverments that have them aren't popular, at least at the moment. I am unaware of any popular government that has been overthrown by revolution (though many have been overthrown by mercenaries or their own militaries).
Of course, the other way the U.S. government could be overthrown is if the military decides to take over. Despite the military's current affection for civilian government (at least within the U.S.), things can change. No one expected a coup d'etat in Chile after 50 years of democracy, but it happened.
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Originally posted by Patroklos
These people need first of all to be seen my 95% of the population as something other than crack pot loosers. |
Well then, we're set, since only about half the country thinks of "these people" as something other than crackpot losers.
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And these people need to trancend from being overeducated students trying to feel important/get laid to people who actually experaince said problems and have a real greivance. |
Only a minority of activists are students. Your ignorance is showing again.
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Whether or not there will be violence is up to the capitalists. In other words, there will be violence. |
This is great. Dear capitalist, we are going to take away all your property, all your political power and franchise, take away your job, put a few of your family members and probobly yourself in a gulag, and madate you you at least say you like it. And if you say no and we come to take it from you by force, if you fight back it is you who is the cause of violence. |
You do love to put words in people's mouths, don't you. Maybe you'd have more fun debating by yourself. I suggest setting up your own fourm where you can be as much of an ass as you like, and invent everyone ele's arguments for them, then you can knock down all your little strawmen and whackoff and think of yourself as a master debater.
Who said anything about shipping people off to gulags? Who said anything about taking things by force?
I always find it funny that those who are strong advocates of harsh sentencing, strong law and order, and always take the side of the police and military in the U.S., then go on to talk about how bad it is for other countries to do the same. There's a word for people like you, hypocrites.
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Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:18
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Originally posted by Commy
About a week ago on the Discovery channel, it showed a British man driving his tank onto a ferry, crossing the English Channel, and going into France...he was licensed of course...
Later in the show, that same man and many others played a reinactment of a WWII battle with their own tanks and artillery...another American that supplies working tanks for Hollywood owns numerous soviet tanks, most of them more powerful than the current American light tanks...he also owned a cruise missile...he disarmed it, of course, but it is still in usable condition if he ever wanted to use it...
So, how much do you know about your own nation?
The fact is, the people hired to provide working tanks for Hollywood have a larger "army" than some nations...obviously, not any powerful nations or ones that anybody has heard of, but still...
Also, the United States dedicates a significant part of its military to its prized navy and air force...I'm sorry, but when you want to control land and fight resistance, it don't matter how many planes and boats you got, it's good ol' infantry that do that...and even if the entire U.S. military, all 2 milliion of them, were part of the army, including the airmen and seamen, they'd still have to fight almost 300 million angry Americans, a good number of them owning a weapon, and of course, many owning multiple weapons... |
as I said, none of these vehicles have weapons on them. Yes I know lots of people have ww2 vintage planes. It's quite a hobby in my country.
Those who do possess actual weapons, the barrells are filled with concrete to render them inoperable before they are sold to the public or put in parks etc.
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Vesayen
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You know, i've given this topic a GREAT deal of thought. *waits for the black hawks to descend* lol.
One thing to consider, while a minority of Americans own gun, enough Americans own MULTIPLE firearms, to PROBOABLY arm every American, or at least every American willing to fight.
In reality it comes down to numbers.... 2 million infantry can't take down 20,000,000 militia men-as stated above.
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Las Vegas, Nevada
Feb 2000
time: 21:18
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yeah good point, no one really cares about Kansas.
but there are some big cities in the midwest. Chicago, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Kansas City.
I know some navy ships can get to chicago, but I don't think the big ones can. (or can they?). I'm not sure, I'm not familiar with the great lakes geography.
In either case, navy isn't needed. As we could just use civilian airbases. Unless the civilians manage to take over all the airfields in the U.S. Then we'd have to rely on aircraft carriers and cruise missiles from other navy ships.
But most navy aircraft are actually stationed on land bases within the U.S. (in San Diego, Virginia Beach, Pensacola, and some other places). They only reside on the aircraft carrier during overseas deployment or workups.
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beingofone
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U.S.A.
Apr 2003
time: 05:18
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Everyone stop paying income tax.
Hard to run a government with no money.
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Vesayen
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
They can when they have tanks and planes and ships. |
Collateral damage using ship artillery is too high.
Planes.... same problem.
Tanks, maybe.
The thing is, how do you target militia dispersed amoung the rest of the population? You can't. There is no effective way to use planes, tanks or ships to attack an army hidden amoung a supportive population.... for more on that, see Israel, Kurdistan, Chechnia, Ireland, Afghanistan, Iraq....... vietnam.
Massive firepower does not help if your target is hidden, unless your willing to essentially glass an area and have massive civilian casualties.
Massive civilian casualties will result in exponential growth in support of an uprising and what might be between 1 and 20 million revolutionaries, becomes 100 million overnight(and remember, we Americans got enough guns to arm most of our population!).
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Originally posted by Dissident
and Canada would stop the U.S. military? 
but does pose a question over which side Canada would take in such a conflict. |
If it was a populos revolution, they would either stay neutral or side with the populas.... they'd realize a populas revolution would suceed and they'd want to be on the right side.
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Patroklos
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Back home in good ole Norfolk VA
Dec 2001
time: 05:18
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Only a minority of activists are students. Your ignorance is showing again. |
Perhaps in your twisted world. Of all the people who suffer from the general American "my give a **** is broken attitude," the poor are the worst.
But if you are truly contending that the majority of activists are poor and not students, well, you do believe in communism so I guess you are capable of believing anything.
Back to school for che.
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Whether or not there will be violence is up to the capitalists. In other words, there will be violence. |
Two things from your statement. One, in your scenario there is an active revoluion going on, and two, since you are communists and you used "capitalist" it is a communist one.
If you are offering a scenario where communists stage a revolution and don't attack the core valies of American capitalism such as those revolting beliefs in property and democracy, and you think they will not use force to do it then back to the sandbox with you.
In either case whether violence happens is always the decision of the revolutionarys, stage a revolution or not.
That just might be easy enough for you to follow. Probobly not.
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I always find it funny that those who are strong advocates of harsh sentencing, strong law and order, and always take the side of the police and military in the U.S., then go on to talk about how bad it is for other countries to do the same. |
Didn't realize the US your talking about was a different country than the one I live in. Interesting. Care to elaborate?
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There's a word for people like you, hypocrites. |
Interesting since there is no hypocracy in that view.
There is a word for people like you, its dumbass.
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Your ignorance is showing again. |
Che thinks I am ignorant. A communist "real revolutioary" who talks about alot but does nothing thinks me ignorant. Whatever shall I do...
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