10-07-2005 01:47									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Verto Do you know how to say 'play', or novel in Chinese? Or any foreign language?

Er, do you know how to read message boards in English? Otherwise you wouldn't have attributed my words to Kuci.

Regardless of the Chinese translation of a single word, UR knows enough English to read Shakespeare in the original language, the commentaries and critiques, and, even if he hasn't, he should have enough general knowledge, especially at his age, to know that Shakespeare didn't write novels (a form that was largely developed after Shakespeare's day.)

	10-07-2005 01:53									#62
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I did a google search on a whim and found an article refering to Hamlet as a "prosaic novel", for whatever that's worth.

http://www.geocities.com/shakesp_marlowe/

	10-07-2005 01:55									#63
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I did a google search on a whim and found a website refering to Creationism as scientific truth, for what it's worth.

http://www.creationism.org/

	10-07-2005 02:02									#64
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I did another google search on a whim and found that Michael Jackson lives in a mansion with 16 bathrooms.

http://www.netglimse.com/celebs/pag...son/index.shtml

Is there something you'd like to share with us, Kuci?

	10-07-2005 02:02									#65
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Yeah, but the Royal Shakespeare Company, Shakespeare.com, Wiki, etc, lists Hamlet among his plays. I'm glad the guy on geocities can view one of the plays as a novel, but unfortunately for Google and your search, it was written and performed as a play.

Looking at the RSC site, I saw this little gem:

quote: The phenomenon of disbelief in Shakespeare's authorship is a psychological aberration of considerable interest.

	10-07-2005 02:23									#67
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Er, do you know how to read message boards in English? Otherwise you wouldn't have attributed my words to Kuci.

I was quoting Kuci quoting you. Excuse me for not taking the time to go in and manually insert a {size=1}bla bla ba so as to make that clear.

Regardless of the Chinese translation of a single word, UR knows enough English to read Shakespeare in the original language, the commentaries and critiques, and, even if he hasn't, he should have enough general knowledge, especially at his age, to know that Shakespeare didn't write novels (a form that was largely developed after Shakespeare's day.) [/QUOTE]

Clearly.

	10-07-2005 02:24									#68
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Your explanation makes no sense. If you were talking to me, address me.

	10-07-2005 02:36									#69
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT I'm glad the guy on geocities can view one of the plays as a novel, but unfortunately for Google and your search

Unfortunate for my search? You seem to be under the impression that it was meant to prove something. I just thought that, since you got so riled up about such a petty and semantic issue, you might appretiate being able to get worked up about a related article, too. Apparently I was right.


Here's something else for you to chew on.

quote: Main Entry: 2novel Function: noun Etymology: Italian novella 1 : an invented prose narrative that is usually long and complex and deals especially with human experience through a usually connected sequence of events

	10-07-2005 03:20									#70
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Did I miss something, or is there really a debate going on above me about whether Shakespeare's plays were really novels?

Homer was the first novelist, not Cervantes, by that logic

	10-07-2005 07:59									#71
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Your explanation makes no sense. If you were talking to me, address me.

**** off, since it doesn't matter who said it first; by quoting it, Kuciwalker showed that he agreed with it, and should be just as capable of defending it.

Either way, I can find better reasons to make fun of UR than something like that.

	10-07-2005 08:24									#72
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Get over yourself, kid. Just because you're too goddamned lazy to edit out "Kuciwalker" to put in "JohnT" doesn't mean you get to jump his ass for my comment. You've got something to say to me, say it to me. Capice?

And I think that the inability to differentiate between a novel and a play is a pretty good reason to make fun of anybody, much less UR. I mean, we're talking third-grade knowledge here.

	10-07-2005 08:39									#73
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Get over yourself, kid. Just because you're too goddamned lazy to edit out "Kuciwalker" to put in "JohnT" doesn't mean you get to jump his ass for my comment. You've got something to say to me, say it to me. Capice? And I think that the inability to differentiate between a novel and a play is a pretty good reason to make fun of anybody, much less UR. I mean, we're talking third-grade knowledge here.

1.) When someone quotes another's post, as is, with no commentary, this is usually recognized as a sign of approval; in other words, that person totally agrees with the post(unless it's clear he's using it to answer a question already answered, etc.) Kuci was clearly seconding your statement, so yes, it does mean I can "jump on his ass", or anyone else who quotes it as he did. And you can and did feel free to defend it.

2.) I am sympathetic to anyone who I perceive made a mistake because of difficulty with a foreign language. Perhaps this was not the case with UR, and I jumped on your back too quickly; if UR is simply a dipshit( ) I apologize to you, JohnT (but not you, Kuci, you self-righteous ***** who was too lazy to make his own original attempt to mock UR).

	10-07-2005 08:42									#74
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quote: if UR is simply a dipshit

... well, somebody had to say it.

Besides Asher, that is.

	11-07-2005 07:30									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I dunno, what do you call the things he wrote? Say, A Midsummer Night's Dream?

This is awesome, you're taking your expertise away from the Computer threads and into Culture threads.

Either way, good show!

	11-07-2005 08:04									#76
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I see that my vanity search bait has caught the intended prey.

Thought you'd like seeing this thread, Asher.

	12-07-2005 20:08									#77
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I've given up trying to figure out what my favorite novels are, so I'll just talk about some good recent ones I've read.

I just finished The Known World by Edward Jones. The novel centers around a black slave-owner who dies in 1855, with a Tolstoyan cast of characters. Explores the nature of power, particularly how society reinforces dominant power relationships. A really good read, but quite dense.

Prior to that, I'd read A Bend in the River by V S Naipaul. Based on an East African of South Asian descent, whose world is crumbling due to colonial upheaval, and sets up shop in the Belgian Congo (Zaire) just after independence. Goes on Naipaul's usual themes of isolation, colonialism and independence, etc. Excellent as Naipaul usually is.

And before that, Middlesex Jefferey Eugenides. It's a family history of Greek immigrants to the US. Similar to Midnights' Children or A Hundred Years of Solitude, but not of their caliber. Still a fine novel.

	13-07-2005 17:29									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo One of my favorite novels. I'm particularly fond of the Rooskies: Dostoevsky, Nabokov, Pushkin, etc.

Yea, it's amazing that the Russians had virtually no literature until the 18th century, and by the 19th they arguably had the best in the world.

	13-07-2005 17:37									#79
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud what about Gogol... the Ukrainian semi-fantasist surrealist?

One of the great pleasures of my college education was having my Russian lit professor read Gogol out loud to the class. If you were late to that class you had no chance at getting a seat, there were always more people attending than were officially enrolled.

	13-07-2005 17:44									#80
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd I did another google search on a whim and found that Michael Jackson lives in a mansion with 16 bathrooms. http://www.netglimse.com/celebs/pag...son/index.shtml Is there something you'd like to share with us, Kuci?

Not a bathroom I suspect.

	13-07-2005 17:55									#81
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I'm starting Lost Illusions by Balzac. The theme of the books is promising

	13-07-2005 18:58									#82
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quote: One of the great pleasures of my college education was having my Russian lit professor read Gogol out loud to the class. If you were late to that class you had no chance at getting a seat, there were always more people attending than were officially enrolled.

Sikander- that's great- I would have loved being in that class!

	13-07-2005 19:53									#83
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark If youre comfortable reading English, you should try reading him in the original. In Honourable Schoolboy, theres a certain amount of interplay between the British and Americans, and the different national (and class -yes among the Americans too) dialects is something he uses to establish charecter, and that would likely be lost.

I've just started Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy in the original english. It's hard work for someone who'se second language is North American english.
There obviously are certain Brit expressions that are harder to get on the first read, but i'm getting more familiar with them now. And it does add a lot of flavour.
I don't envy the translators task.

	13-07-2005 19:56									#84
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quote: Yea, it's amazing that the Russians had virtually no literature until the 18th century, and by the 19th they arguably had the best in the world.

It's particularly interesting considering that Russian literacy wasn't all that impressive during this period.

	13-07-2005 20:31									#85
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Just for fun, has anyone else here considered assembling a list of the 100 greatest novels according to Apolytoners much like the AFI does with its movies, or the literary associations come out with every few years?

	14-07-2005 14:33									#86
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quote: Originally posted by DarkCloud Sikander- that's great- I would have loved being in that class!

Too bad there weren't more like it. The professor was actually the father of one of my friends from high school soccer, but I never actually got to know him at all until I took that class. He read quite a bit out loud with masterful comic tension and amazing inflection that showcased the irony and absurdity of the stories. He read a bonus piece by an Italian author titled "Gogol's Wife" which was one of the more hilarious bits I've ever heard. Check it out if you happen upon it, it's short and sweet. Apparantly the author was a friend or colleague of Gogol when he was in exile.

	14-07-2005 14:38									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo It's particularly interesting considering that Russian literacy wasn't all that impressive during this period.

Yes, it was really a tiny subset of the population that produced it, though their actions undoubtedly helped to increase those numbers by giving people of more mundane means a reason to learn to read. A similar Golden Age happened with Russian composers at around the same time.

	18-07-2005 07:55									#88
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edit: oops, wrong thread.

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