12-07-2005 06:18									#31
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo And it seems that in Longhorn, we won't have to install games anymore. Just like consoles. http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-15016-1330-4-4-x

Bugger, that better be optional!!!!!!!


I'm used to installation waiting
CD's can scratch and crap out
CD's are slower to load than HD's


The only good thing about this is that you save space on your computer, so, unless this is optional, it IS a step backwards!

	12-07-2005 06:51									#32
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Out of pure interest, how long will this ADMINI~1 crap in the command window continue to chase us? Is compatibility to a ten years old DOS still such an issue? Actually, spaces in filenames are a huge pain to deal with on the command line because spaces are used as separators in commands. A longer case-aware spaceless filename would be a welcome addition, though. ProgramFiles is easier to deal with than both PROGRA~1 and Program Files.

I don't quite understand... The word Administrator, as in the screenshot, does not have an internal space, yet it is still abbreviated in the same way.

What concerns spaces in filenames, I don't see how they are a huge pain to deal on the command line. Several Unices do this fine, either by preceding it by a backslash, or by replacing it by %20 or another multibyte substitute, or by enclosing the whole path in quotation marks. I'm sure, that Windows can handle this fine, so why do they ten years after the death of DOS still resort to this outdated 8.3 rubbish?

On a sidenote, have you ever tried to install several Microsoft application (Microsoft Office, Microsoft Visual Studio, Microsoft Whatever... you get the picture!) and then written path descriptions and batch files referring to MICROS~1, MICROS~2, MICROS~3 etc. without getting confused which is which? That's fun I can tell ya! I did this in toy OSes like Win95 and Win98 a lot. It somehow disappoints me, that this practice is still alive.

	12-07-2005 07:10									#33
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quote: The only good thing about this is that you save space on your computer, so, unless this is optional, it IS a step backwards!

Um... how could you make it mandatory that no game could be installed on the hard drive? It's up to the game developer to see what they want to do.

	12-07-2005 07:19									#34
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Windows XP will suit me for the next 5 - 10 years.

	12-07-2005 08:36									#35
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quote: Longhorn will feature a task-based (or "iterative") interface that goes far beyond the task-based interface found today in Windows XP. Microsoft has been working to move beyond the dated desktop metaphor still used by most desktop operating systems

Wtf? If you look at the screenshots, they still use the desktop metaphor. In fact, its basically a better-looking version of plain vanilla Windows XP, with tweaks here and there. Not that I complaint: I don't think the GUI needs a major overhaul. It works just fine.

	12-07-2005 14:40									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: The only good thing about this is that you save space on your computer, so, unless this is optional, it IS a step backwards! Um... how could you make it mandatory that no game could be installed on the hard drive? It's up to the game developer to see what they want to do.

But that doesn't make it optional for the users, so if a game developer decides to make it console-like then it's not much we can do about

	12-07-2005 21:19									#37
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As someone else mentioned, this new Longhorn looks like a Windows XP running WindowBlinds. Hey, nice icons, but so what?

I really can't see anything revolutionary here. But maybe I need to search for more information.

	12-07-2005 21:38									#38
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo And it seems that in Longhorn, we won't have to install games anymore. Just like consoles. http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-15016-1330-4-4-x

I hate, absolutely hate, having CDs

in fact, I would play consols more if they didn't have CDs

I would much prefer if everything went by the download approach, like with HL2 (I don't really mind that)

do I need to say again that I really really hate CDs?

JM

	12-07-2005 22:12									#39
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I'm curious why people are expecting the Windows UI to be radically different?

	12-07-2005 22:13									#40
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quote: I hate, absolutely hate, having CDs in fact, I would play consols more if they didn't have CDs I would much prefer if everything went by the download approach, like with HL2 (I don't really mind that) do I need to say again that I really really hate CDs?

Did Cds kill your pet dog or something?

	12-07-2005 22:26									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I'm curious why people are expecting the Windows UI to be radically different?

Maybe the following claim:

quote: Longhorn will feature a task-based (or "iterative") interface that goes far beyond the task-based interface found today in Windows XP. Microsoft has been working to move beyond the dated desktop metaphor still used by most desktop operating systems

It seems to suggest they'll do something very different.

Other reasons: people here are simply tired of it, they just want something different.

I'm happy with the current one. I think it works fine. It doesn't need to be scraped IMO. It just needs a makover. With tweaks here and there.

	12-07-2005 22:31									#42
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Most of the work has been on the innards of the OS. The current builds are a huge improvement over the builds a few months ago, and there's over a year left til release.

And I'm not sure if Paul's article regarding going beyond the dated desktop metaphor is entirely accurate.

I'm not expecting radical changes to the interface, mostly because people are used to this design and it works very well.

	12-07-2005 23:03									#43
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Here's a mock-up of a task-based interface for Gnome 3.0. Meh. I am... skeptical.

	12-07-2005 23:25									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Adagio quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: The only good thing about this is that you save space on your computer, so, unless this is optional, it IS a step backwards! Um... how could you make it mandatory that no game could be installed on the hard drive? It's up to the game developer to see what they want to do. But that doesn't make it optional for the users, so if a game developer decides to make it console-like then it's not much we can do about

Well that's up to game developer to decide. It's not Microsoft's fault.

	12-07-2005 23:28									#45
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You can always store the disc image on your harddrive anyway...

	13-07-2005 03:06									#46
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Did Cds kill your pet dog or something?

Actually, in the fantastic Korean movie Old Boy, someone gets killed by being stabbed to death by CD shards.

	13-07-2005 03:08									#47
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Here's a mock-up of a task-based interface for Gnome 3.0. Meh. I am... skeptical.

Gnome sucks anyways. The whole spatial nautilus debacle?

A different, interesting take on the desktop metaphor is SymphonyOS.

	13-07-2005 03:38									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I can already use CD-RW...[snip]...that OS X would be the last thing that you'd want if you want an efficient OS.

Asher, you forgot to answer to this:

quote: I want the OS to use as little resources as possible - it seems that OSes are resource hogs and sometimes, the mind boggles.

	13-07-2005 03:39									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed Actually, in the fantastic Korean movie Old Boy, someone gets killed by being stabbed to death by CD shards.

Sorry bout the threajack here but Old Boy...whoa now theres one sick movie. I cant understand why people say its "fantastic" "great"etc. Its horrible...with one good fighting scene. I dont understand why such sick films are made, let a lone watched by people.

	13-07-2005 03:46									#50
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quote: Sorry bout the threajack here but Old Boy...whoa now theres one sick movie. I cant understand why people say its "fantastic" "great"etc. Its horrible...with one good fighting scene. I dont understand why such sick films are made, let a lone watched by people.

The fighting isn't why you watch the movie. I liked it because it gave you a twisted set of premises, and then let you run along with the whole movie, until the end, when it gives you an additional set of premises, broadsiding you entirely.

I can see how people would take offense at some of the situations brought up, but if that's your only reason for disliking a movie, understand that not everyone else has that same viewpoint.

	13-07-2005 04:06									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: Sorry bout the threajack here but Old Boy...whoa now theres one sick movie. I cant understand why people say its "fantastic" "great"etc. Its horrible...with one good fighting scene. I dont understand why such sick films are made, let a lone watched by people. The fighting isn't why you watch the movie. I liked it because it gave you a twisted set of premises, and then let you run along with the whole movie, until the end, when it gives you an additional set of premises, broadsiding you entirely. I can see how people would take offense at some of the situations brought up, but if that's your only reason for disliking a movie, understand that not everyone else has that same viewpoint.

I didnt know much anything about the movie before I went to see it in the theatre with my friends. Seeing it made me almost throw up i.e physically feel sick. It really disturbed me and made me angry, now I've just tried to forget it. OK lets face it as far as the cinematography and "innovative" plot twits go its really good but at the end its just another one of those "the most sick asian movie ever made". The cultural taboos shock value was prety much a yawn for me but it lft me wonder why thse kinds of movies are made. Its really evil and sick movie, what kind of effect do the makers of it want it to have on its audience. Do they want to **** up peoples minds ever more than our society would anyhow? What if someone sometimes flips out after seeing of of these flicks? Human mind is so fragile, mind you. Why do normal people want to see these things? What does it say about us?

I mean I like asian horror Into the Mirroretc but I'm getting sick of these no-good, plain evil movies. People get ideas from these you now..

	13-07-2005 04:33									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Hueij Asher, you forgot to answer to this: quote: I want the OS to use as little resources as possible - it seems that OSes are resource hogs and sometimes, the mind boggles.

No, I addressed that when I mentioned how ridiculous it was that he have all of the above mentioned features, then ask for it to use as little resources as possible.

What, specifically, is there to address about it?

	13-07-2005 04:34									#53
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Address it, even though you don't know what to address, you EVADER!

	13-07-2005 04:35									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed Gnome sucks anyways. The whole spatial nautilus debacle? A different, interesting take on the desktop metaphor is SymphonyOS.

I'm not sure how different that is, it looks like ObjectDesktop mixed with NeXTStep?

	13-07-2005 06:38									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed Gnome sucks anyways. The whole spatial nautilus debacle? A different, interesting take on the desktop metaphor is SymphonyOS.

I like the four corners, that is a good idea.


I was playing Swat4 yesterday, and I really liked how I could control the other team members just by right clicking (which would open a menu).

Wouldn't it be great if that was your way of accessing anything in Windows? Just right click anywhere, open whatever you want. Who needs menu's on the interface when it can be kept hidden under one mouse button?

	13-07-2005 07:00									#56
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So, will it be able to finally remember your folder settings?
Now that would be an achievement.

	13-07-2005 07:17									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py I like the four corners, that is a good idea.

I don't like it. I think its more convenient when things are kept as close together as possible. In fact, it probably violates a UI principle.

quote: Wouldn't it be great if that was your way of accessing anything in Windows? Just right click anywhere, open whatever you want. Who needs menu's on the interface when it can be kept hidden under one mouse button?

Yes, an interface where everything is one or two mouse clicks away. That would be awesome. Some system utilities, like the defrag utility, are hidden too deep in the start menu. It should be way more easily accessible.

	13-07-2005 07:23									#58
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Simple always works and doesn't slow the system.

Right click anywhere, doesn't matter where, the top bar shows you the user, the 2nd bar shows you were you are (where you right clicked), the rest link you to any directory, network or program in your computer.

Down the bottom, I replaced the long bar's from windows into small round buttons with icons that we can all recognise, this saves a lot of space down the bottom. If it has more than one window it is grouped, to get access to the group just click on the button and the menu opens.

Moved trash can to statusbar; why have it on the desktop, covering up your nice background?

	13-07-2005 20:44									#59
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Ok, where can I download this, Sn00py?

	13-07-2005 21:58									#60
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you can't, thats the problem