12-07-2005 19:29									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Max Webster Can anybody name the rock groups that came out of Detroit. I can name some. I think i have these right. Kiss White Stripes MC5 Ted Nugent

No city should ever feel anything but shame that it's Ted Nugent's hometown.

	12-07-2005 19:40									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay I love it when people take two steps out of their hotel and pass a summary judgement on a place...

What good is all of that when you feel like you can be mugged and/or killed at any random moment?

Detroit may have a lot of stuff, but that's kind of pointless given how polluted and crime-ridden and poverty-strickin it is.

	12-07-2005 20:02									#33
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Downtown New York is crime-ridden, the streets smell like piss, and amputee panhandlers menace you for money. Does that mean checking it out is "pointless"? Go ahead and live in your suburban plastic bubble if you're too scared.

Again, you don't KNOW because you've never spent time here, but rely on stereotypical, lame-ass perceptions from other people who don't KNOW because they can't be bothered to check it out for themselves.

	12-07-2005 21:13									#34
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Hmmm....

http://www.morganquitno.com/safecity7.htm

	12-07-2005 21:15									#35
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I see Flint listed near the bottom with Detroit.

	12-07-2005 21:31									#36
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And Atlanta is second....ooh too scary to visit atlanta I reckon.

	12-07-2005 21:33									#37
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Nah, just many, many, nicer places to go.

Sorry about your luck.

	12-07-2005 21:36									#38
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Yeah, like Compton, CA

	12-07-2005 22:07									#39
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quote: The fact that Detroit has lured sports' biggest showcase twice, while New York and Chicago have yet to host a Super Bowl, says all you need to know about Motown as a sports town.

Actually this only goes to show what a wussy town Detroit is. There are only two rules and one exception to make you eligiable to host a Superbowl:

1) The city must have a team in the NFL.
2) The city must be in a fair weather environment (Tampa, San Deigo, LA, Dallas, etc) during the Superbowl.
2a) A city may be exempt of this rule if it is in a dome where playing conditions may be controlled.

So bit it! The only reason why Chicago or NY haven't held a Superbowl isn't because they aren't great sports towns, its because neither of these cold weather cities have wussed out to the level of Detroit and gotten a dome!

	12-07-2005 22:14									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay Downtown New York is crime-ridden, the streets smell like piss, and amputee panhandlers menace you for money. Does that mean checking it out is "pointless"? Go ahead and live in your suburban plastic bubble if you're too scared.

New York has redeeming qualities. Detroit has some qualities, but not redeeming enough to get around the lame culture spewing from the city.

Do a search of "Detroit" on Google Image Search. This is the first result:

	12-07-2005 22:32									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay Again, you don't KNOW because you've never spent time here, but rely on stereotypical, lame-ass perceptions from other people who don't KNOW because they can't be bothered to check it out for themselves.

I lived in windosr a long time ago, while my mom worked in Detroit. There are some good points, but the bad points far outway them.


The things I remember most strongly about detroit are: Seeing search helicopters circle the city every other night. Driving down streets and seeing nothing but barred windows and burnt-out and smashed cars rusting away in empty lots (and that was inner-city). My grandparents got lost, once, while driving me somewhere and we got a nice tour of all the boarded up crack houses, too.

	12-07-2005 22:38									#42
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To be fair, the article that Kontiki links is dated 2000. A whole lot of redevelopment can happen in 5 years, as Washington has discovered.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher New York has redeeming qualities. Detroit has some qualities, but not redeeming enough to get around the lame culture spewing from the city.

My point remains this: EVERY big city features the best and worst of humanity. And people wrote off places like Cleveland and Pittsburgh which came back. For Detroit, it's not a matter of if but when.

As for the "lame" culture, I suppose that's in the eye of beholder; I won't argue with someone that chooses to remain willfully ignorant about the true history and cultural offerings of this town, and relies instead on spoon-fed misconceptions.

I look around and see a world-class symphony, orchestra hall, and opera theatre, the largest electronic music festival in the world, a premier summer jazz fest, great live music clubs large and small, ....If that's "lame" culture...

	12-07-2005 22:56									#44
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I agree that culture is one of the good points of detroit (even if it's not easy to see through all the boarded up windows).

	12-07-2005 22:56									#45
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What a crappy article. I would appreciate those 7 minutes back.

	12-07-2005 23:20									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay I look around and see a world-class symphony, orchestra hall, and opera theatre, the largest electronic music festival in the world, a premier summer jazz fest, great live music clubs large and small, ....If that's "lame" culture...

Detroit is far from the only city with a "world-class" symphony, opera, music festivals, etc.

It is, however, in a league of its own with regards to violence...

	12-07-2005 23:33									#47
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I have heard alot of stories from folks who have travelled throught Detroit. Getting sidetracked from construction or just plain getting lost. Then ending up in the nasty areas and driving around crapping their pants trying to get out.

I was involved in of these adventures once. Went to see the US open at Oakland Hills in the mid nineties. I felt tension but I didn't crap my pants. We managed to get out using the directions of some nice people.

Wasn't their a huge riot in the 60's. I remember my parents talking about this. I travelled in the upper northern US alot when I was a kid. It was really cool.

	12-07-2005 23:40									#48
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Most big American cities had huge race riots in the 60s, although Detroit's in 1967 were among the worst. Some American cities are just recovering now. Many haven't recovered to this day.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS To be fair, the article that Kontiki links is dated 2000. A whole lot of redevelopment can happen in 5 years, as Washington has discovered.

Take a look at the other lists at the same site. There's updated info. Detroit is second worst as of 2004.

Alot can happen in five years, but it didn't seem to in this case.

	13-07-2005 05:03									#50
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It's funny to see a Canadian accusing anywhere else of having a "lame" culture.

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten It's funny to see a Canadian accusing anywhere else of having a "lame" culture.

More culture than Nebraska, at any rate.

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Last time I was in downtown Detroit it seemed to have done an OK job in cleaning it up and making it presentable. And from what I hear this process is ongoing.

Sure, it has lots of hurdles to overcome, but thats no reason not to see whats good about it already, like all the great music thats come out of it (motown, blues, etc...).

But I'll tell you the real reason why I have no problem with Detroit. Lets compare it with Toronto, for example. Toronto has the air of the world's greatest city and very loudly proclaims this at any opportunity it gets... meanwhile we all know its a dump. Detroit, on the other hand, has no such airs. Detroit is what it is, period. Its a modest city with a modest attitude.

Making fun of it is like laughing at someone for having a gimpy leg through no fault of their own. Think about it.

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quote: More culture than Nebraska, at any rate.

I think we're about the same, actually. All our lame cultures have ever produced is comedians.

At least Carson stayed in his home country, though...

	13-07-2005 05:24									#54
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By the way, why are border cities such crapholes?

Windsor/Detroit - Dump
Port Huron/Sarnia - Dump
Buffalo/St Catherines - Dump
Cornwall/Massena - Dump

You'd think border towns would be a great excuse for both countries to show off. Apparantly not.

What gives?

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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten quote: More culture than Nebraska, at any rate. I think we're about the same, actually. All our lame cultures have ever produced is comedians. At least Carson stayed in his home country, though...

North American self-loathing/culture bashing

	13-07-2005 05:29									#56
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It's not self-loathing when you live in Canada or Nebraska. Just an objective analysis of the facts.

	13-07-2005 10:30									#57
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You guys whether your from Canada or the USA wouldn't know culture if you tripped over it. A little too much time spent on the ole computer I think. The US and Canada have lots of culture if you just open your eyes. Plenty going on in my area in regards to culture. Its just up to me to go out and experience it. Quit sitting on my lazy arse in front of this computer.

	13-07-2005 10:47									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay Downtown New York is crime-ridden

No it isn't. The "crime-ridden" area of NY are Spanish Harlem, parts of the Bronx and Brooklyn. Downtown is probably the safest part of the city. And NY, overall, is very safe relative to its size.

quote: the streets smell like piss

No they don't. The alleyways often do. But the streets smell like car exhaust, and sometimes garbage on pick-up days.

quote: and amputee panhandlers menace you for money.

"Menace?" If you mean "ask," sure. But panhandlers, by and large, don't harass people or terrorize them.

	13-07-2005 16:52									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Detroit is far from the only city with a "world-class" symphony, opera, music festivals, etc. It is, however, in a league of its own with regards to violence...

Such a healthy place for all the boys and girls,

it's the murder capitol of the world, oh yea!

Ted Nugent

Double Live Gonzo

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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Of course much of the rest of Motown and Madonna. My mom actually saw Bob Seeger at some house party back in college before he hit it big. She went to Michigan State.

So did I. I remember seeing the Romantics play there often (I should add them to the list, I think they are from Detroit originally) for free at the spring festival. There were a lot of good free concerts at MSU.

I remembered that Madonna was from Detroit, but I think her music sucks. Hard. But Motown is another matter obviously. I excluded them because the post I responded to mentioned rock specifically, but Motown music is generally pretty good.