19-07-2005 02:45									#241
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Oh, your dog got in trouble? If Drake knows so much, he would be able to discuss it effectively. I don;t see him doing it thought. Beside genius, this is not about simple history. This is about defining what Japanese culture is, and how adopting Western ideas may, or may not, equal cultural change. Do you get that?

When you start getting into insults, we know you've been pwned

	19-07-2005 04:48									#242
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Cmon, Spain conquered the Americas on behalf of Genoese merchants. Well, thats an exagerration, yeah, but Italy was deep into everything the Spanish empire did. See Henry Kamen, "Empire"

Sorry, but I never read Kamen, and besdies, I hardly will buy one author's story for it. Spain was following on the steps of Henry the Navigator, and if she conquered the new world it was with habsburg money at first, and her plentiful leftover warriors hungry for glory.

quote: For the aristocrats sure. Ya ever read War and Peace? For the peasants nah. a VERY divided society.

Are you therefore saying a place may have mutiple cultures?

And on the culture front, what cultural traits set Northern Italy apart from Europe so that this movement would begin there?

	19-07-2005 04:49									#243
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker When you start getting into insults, we know you've been pwned

Oh, so you got pwned a page or two back. Good to know.

	19-07-2005 05:03									#244
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker When you start getting into insults, we know you've been pwned

	19-07-2005 05:21									#245
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Oh, so you got pwned a page or two back. Good to know.

The best part is, I went and searched the previous two pages, to check if I'd made any insults... and I couldn't find any. Care to point them out?

	19-07-2005 05:34									#246
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker The best part is, I went and searched the previous two pages, to check if I'd made any insults... and I couldn't find any. Care to point them out?

Just found you backhanded compliment.

quote: GePap is actually right, for once.

NOw, what's really funny is Drake supporting your statement.

Thankfully someone did get the issue and started a real arguement.

	19-07-2005 05:35									#247
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quote: Just found you backhanded compliment.

OMG I said that you are usually wrong! When we're on opposite sides of the political spectrum! The insult!

wait a second

	19-07-2005 05:37									#248
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You are a terrible, terrible person Kuci...

	19-07-2005 05:37									#249
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I bow my head in shame

	19-07-2005 05:44									#250
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Ah, the puppy love between you two is just so darn adorable.

There must be a whole Bathroom set aside in the Kuci household for when Drakie Pooh drops by. How touching.

	19-07-2005 05:46									#251
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That was a terrible, terrible joke GePap...

	19-07-2005 05:51									#252
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Oh, how terrible!

Did you hear that Kuci? That is how he repays your trusting bond? That animal!

Shame on you Drake, shame on you.

	19-07-2005 05:53									#253
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I'm not sure how I'm supposed to be insulted.























































At least, not any more than when the kids down the street say "you're mean!" when I tell them it's bedtime.

	19-07-2005 05:58									#254
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Man Kuci, already the old man yelling at the kiddies?

Kuci lost his childhood...

	19-07-2005 06:01									#255
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I'm sorry for yelling at you GePap

	19-07-2005 06:15									#256
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I forgive you, you bitter old coot.

But next time, try to keep up. I know your hearing and vision are not what they used to be, and these "new ideas" frighten you, but again, do try to keep up.

	19-07-2005 06:17									#257
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Did I make baby GePap cry?

	19-07-2005 06:23									#258
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Did I make baby GePap cry?

Heaven no, I was never able to see your face.

	19-07-2005 06:24									#259
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this is getting unreal

	19-07-2005 06:26									#260
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He stopped making sense a while ago.

	19-07-2005 06:39									#261
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Like I said:

True Believer Syndrome.

	19-07-2005 06:49									#262
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Which one of you three is Curly, which is Moe, and who is Larry?

What is sad is that LoTM had to come in for an actual worthwhile debate to start.

Lets hope he gats back so real discussion can actually occur.

	19-07-2005 06:51									#263
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GePap, what's this obsession you have with "debating" and "arguing"? Your mind is already made up, so why should we waste our time attempting to change it?

	19-07-2005 06:55									#264
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Time for episode two...

	19-07-2005 06:59									#265
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT GePap, what's this obsession you have with "debating" and "arguing"? Your mind is already made up, so why should we waste our time attempting to change it?

Please. First, stop being a hypocrite, unless you are willing to say that your mind is not already made up to.

Second, yes, I find the whle culture notion weak, but you know what? I accept and will engage in actual debate, like I am with LoTM. The difference is that LoTM actually tries to make points and marshall evidence and ask question.

You sit and make pronouncements, state opinions, but in this thread, that's been it. I have yet to see you actually say :I think this because, and this is what i think my evidence is.

Drake is close to useless, as he only cares to step in when he thinks he can trap someone to say "look, they were wrong". In short, he rarely adds anything to debate.

	19-07-2005 07:03									#266
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quote: he only cares to step in when he thinks he can trap someone to say "look, they were wrong". In short, he rarely adds anything to debate.

Guilty as charged, at least with regards to you. I have little interest in debating with someone who doesn't even have a grasp on basic facts.

	19-07-2005 08:00									#267
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The show today made plenty of annoying production decisions. Too much time spent telling the story of the battle, as opposed to what set it up. Its strange because presented that way it undermines Diamond's point more (for example, someone could say that the decisive event of that day was Atahualpa's hubris.

Also, smallpox does play a huge role in that day:they fail to mention that the victories Atahualpa is celebrating are those over his brother Huascar, as a civil war is coming to an end, cause the Previous Inca had died of smallpox.

	19-07-2005 08:01									#268
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Guilty as charged, at least with regards to you. I have little interest in debating with someone who doesn't even have a grasp on basic facts.

The sad fact is your stupid and shallow enough to think that.

	19-07-2005 08:04									#269
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I think we need a visual.

	19-07-2005 08:06									#270
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