16-07-2005 01:54									#31
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quote: [size=1]received from Pggar, at CivBrazil[size][17:09] Pggar: onde vc achou o email, na ONU? [17:10] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: hein? [17:10] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: ah, o email do aroeira [17:10] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: quando eu mandei o sav pro Apo, retornaram 3 emails de delivery failure [17:11] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: um deles me chamou a atencao pq era .com.br [17:11] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: o aro@aroeira.com.br [17:11] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: um ou 2 dias depois eu vejo o tal do aro falando q era do APO [17:12] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: tenho os emails de delivery failure aki ainda, se quiser [17:14] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: o sw deve ter recebido tb [17:15] Pggar: acho que foi o que retornou pra mim tb [17:16] Pggar: fui eu que enviei

Translation (a bad one... I barely can read in english!):

[17:09] Pggar: where did you find this e-mail, at ONU?
[17:10] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: what?
[17:10] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: ah, aroeira's e-mail
[17:10] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: When I sent the save to APO, , 3 email delivery failure returned
[17:11] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: I notice one of these adresses, because was .com.br
[17:11] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: the aro@aroeira.com.br
[17:11] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: One day or two after that I saw this aro guy talking that he was in APO
[17:12] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: I have those delivery failure notices here, if you want it.
[17:14] Thiago Dyna - Krasan: sw must had received, too
[17:15] Pggar: I think that one returned to me too.
[17:16] Pggar: I send it

	16-07-2005 01:57									#32
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Well, it's a hole, but thanks gGod isn't a spy.

But was exciting!

And this little hole persists.

	16-07-2005 01:57									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Aro What??

I was referring to CBR. They broke the rules no less than three times the previous round. The first and largest was their president spying in CFC's private forums. He deliberately made a DL at CFC and gained access to our private forums. Two more times they broke the rules, all three times found guilty. This is partially why I detest that team and pray for their downfall this time around.

	16-07-2005 02:00									#34
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Is CBR the Brazilian civ team?

	16-07-2005 06:08									#35
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I'm sorry Aro, but I can't make out what the conversation exactly means or even who is speaking to whom. Just let me know if you feel that the answer given is legit as to where they got your email address from.

From what I understand from what you said, you have not posted your email address outside of Apolyton's C3CISDG Forum (This forum). So, if that is true, how did they get your email address? Is it because your address was tied to the rockbandit mailing list and they somehow can see everyone who is on that mailing list?

	16-07-2005 09:40									#36
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They sent the save to APO, and it returned three "mail delivery failure". In the header of those returned messages, usually you can find the adress with problems. In this case, my adress (was a temporary problem).
Well, they did nothing wrong, but we have a little problem here. When they emailed the save to us, who received it?
Probabily he just forwarded the message (with the save) to all of us, and if one of the recipients has a problem and the message can't be delivered, it comes back to original sender... The guys at CivBrazil. In fact, I didn't received the save.

Pggar is a admin in the Brazilian site, and someone important in their team. The other guy, Krasan, also have a high status there.. He's the one who send the saves to the next player (us).

Did I make myself a little more clear?

	16-07-2005 09:47									#37
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It's a hole for anyone wanting to keep their address from CBR should it bounce, but it's not like they can read anyone's mail with this. So it's a problem for anyone who has a problem with their mail bouncing back to CBR in case of failure, but it shouldn't affect Apolytonian security.

	16-07-2005 09:57									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Aro They sent the save to APO, and it returned three "mail delivery failure". In the header of those returned messages, usually you can find the adress with problems. In this case, my adress (was a temporary problem). Well, they did nothing wrong, but we have a little problem here. When they emailed the save to us, who received it? Probabily he just forwarded the message (with the save) to all of us, and if one of the recipients has a problem and the message can't be delivered, it comes back to original sender... The guys at CivBrazil. In fact, I didn't received the save. Pggar is a admin in the Brazilian site, and someone important in their team. The other guy, Krasan, also have a high status there.. He's the one who send the saves to the next player (us). Did I make myself a little more clear?

Yes, very clear. Thanks.

I agree with Kloreep; no security threat at all.

It is a bit weird that WB's server would give them any email addresses on the forwarding list he has for that address. I guess it all depends on how he has it set up; something that I do not have a clue about. I guess WB would have to explain it to me. :/

	16-07-2005 10:05									#39
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The from addy is the one from Brazil, not wb's. If there is a problem, it generates a message back to that addy.

	16-07-2005 10:06									#40
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Not any e-mail addresses, just ones that bounce.

I've seen the same thing happen in the MZODG, where I send to another rockbandit list; someone must have closed their account there because one particular address kept bouncing back to me. I don't, however, know what the other addresses on the list are because they never bounced.

	16-07-2005 10:13									#41
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I guess I don't understand how WB's mail server works then. I thought his server just "forwards" all email recieved to the rockbandit address he has given to us for this game, to a list of email addresses contained on on his email server.

I did not know that when someone sends an email to the rockbandit address that the sender is actually sending to each and everyone of the addresses in the list. Or, is it that the rockbandit server is the server providing the information about which email addresses "bounced" from a given address and then reports that info back to the original sender?

	16-07-2005 10:26									#42
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It's the second thing. The rockbandit server is sending the messages, but when a message bounces it does so back to the sender rather than the rockbandit server.

	16-07-2005 11:27									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Aro Is CBR the Brazilian civ team?

Yes. CBR is their new acronym (replacing C3B).

	18-07-2005 00:15									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep It's the second thing. The rockbandit server is sending the messages, but when a message bounces it does so back to the sender rather than the rockbandit server.

Kloreep has it exactly right. My email server is acting as a third party and forwarding on the emails. Anything that bounces though goes BACK to the original sender (like a normal email message).

Hence, they got Aro's email because there was a bounce. I actually have no way to see these errors (unless I email the list and experience the same myself). Definitely keep me informed if anything else comes up.

	18-07-2005 00:27									#45
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From CBR:

quote: I'm getting the following return transcripts every turn: ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- aro@aroeira.com.br (reason: 550 aro@aroeira.com.br: Recipient address rejected: No such user (aro@aroeira.com.br)) ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- mahkina@benzautin.com (reason: 550-"The recipient cannot be verified. Please check all recipients of this) ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- bpberry@exeter.edu (reason: 550 bpberry@exeter.edu : Recipient address rejected: unknown user bpberry@exeter.edu) ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- arnelos@aol.com (reason: 554- (RTR:BL) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/554rtrbl.html)

	18-07-2005 02:11									#46
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Ok, no harm.... And just the knowledge of these e-mail adresses don't represent a hole. so... Back to the game!

Btw, WB... try aroeira@aroeira.com.br