03-08-2005 12:36									#31
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Summary of the plans mentioned above.

Modo44 - Green
Krill - Blue
GodKing - Yellow
BFM - Red

I added my own plan. This recognizes the fact that we don't have that much to work with (due to the mountains) but manages to place 2 extra cities on the river. The eastern city can use the Game tile now and then and become productive. Hopefully, it'll have some good land to the east.

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	03-08-2005 19:55									#32
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I know this is a stupid question... But why should we overlap our cities in this way?

Please, folks, be patient with me, I'm just a poor n00b...

	03-08-2005 20:01									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Aro I know this is a stupid question... But why should we overlap our cities in this way?

Because efficient use of terrain in Civ3 games requires approximately 12 tiles per city. If you have more, you have terrain that does not work for you, and Settlers have to travel longer. It becomes increasingly difficult to survive, let alone win, on higher difficulty levels using a sparse pattern.


I would add another city two tiles north of my westernmost one (one tile above Krill's proposal). That would seal the pattern around the capital, I think?

	03-08-2005 23:15									#34
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As Modo says, 12 tiles per city is pretty much the goal. Hospitals come so late in the game that any benefit we would get from large metros would be wiped out by our comparatively worse performance in the first two eras.

And if we are thinking in terms of the ind era, metros often aren't much better than large cities at building 2-turn tanks, infantry, etc. anyway.

	03-08-2005 23:34									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Because efficient use of terrain in Civ3 games requires approximately 12 tiles per city. If you have more, you have terrain that does not work for you, and Settlers have to travel longer. It becomes increasingly difficult to survive, let alone win, on higher difficulty levels using a sparse pattern. I would add another city two tiles north of my westernmost one (one tile above Krill's proposal). That would seal the pattern around the capital, I think?

quote: Originally posted by Kloreep As Modo says, 12 tiles per city is pretty much the goal. Hospitals come so late in the game that any benefit we would get from large metros would be wiped out by our comparatively worse performance in the first two eras. And if we are thinking in terms of the ind era, metros often aren't much better than large cities at building 2-turn tanks, infantry, etc. anyway.

Thanks, Modo and Kloreep...

	03-08-2005 23:54									#36
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And if we need metros for unit support purposes we can just build hospital and set as many specialists as the city can support.

	04-08-2005 01:32									#37
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Aro,

Unit support is a another good reason - more cities = more unit support. Under a republic for example, you need to cram as many cities in as possible, as you don't even get enough support for more than 1 unit per city until it is size 7..

Especially true in games like these where you might have to field a huge force to fend of another team's huge force.

The main reason is efficient use of land, sharing of improved tiles, ability to move a defenders where they are needed faster, less roading to connect up & reduce your corruption.. there are lots of threads in the strat forum on this topic I would think.

	04-08-2005 05:12									#38
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Thanks, Moonbars!

Living and learning

Btw, I'm starting a SP game right now... Let me see how it goes

	09-08-2005 15:43									#39
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A site to the east, though not on a river, could reach TWO game tiles now...

	09-08-2005 18:39									#40
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster A site to the east, though not on a river, could reach TWO game tiles now...

But why not try to get two good pumps (+5 fpt) instead of one with "too much" food concentration? I mean, do we know the other Game tile has no fresh water around?

	17-08-2005 08:40									#41
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It's time to start looking at this and discussing a bit more

We know that our first city will be north of us, to set up a worker pump.

We also know that we would like to see another city, at 2-2 from Apolyton, as a Military Camp. Problem with this is the need for sheilds (working on that).

Also, a Really good city site, is on the hill, 1-1-2-2-2 From Apolyton (I'll post a screenshot soon, but see turnthreads until I do). This site, with the 2-2 site, will get the Spices into our Cultural border and allow us to use it.

So, those are 3 sites, any other suggestions??

E_T

	17-08-2005 11:12									#42
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That Warrior came from the west, right? This means we will need to be quick to grab the bonus food there. Or do you think they will just leave it for us?

	17-08-2005 12:05									#43
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Settleer #2 will be 4 turns after #1 (and the ones following will be every 4 turns afterwards).

E_T

	06-09-2005 05:59									#44
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bump, where's city #2 going to be?

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i guess 8-8-8 of apolyton

	06-09-2005 20:32									#46
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Settler two will be ready the turn that IW is complete.

Personally I think that it would be a good idea to settle the iron with settler #2 if the iron is close to us.

	06-09-2005 21:24									#47
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I rather would settle the first close to the lux.

quote: Originally posted by Krill Settler two will be ready the turn that IW is complete. Personally I think that it would be a good idea to settle the iron with settler #2 if the iron is close to us.

Agreed.