16-07-2005 23:51									#31
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yeah you can..

dogs can get emotion, can feel pain, and so on and so forth

there is a brain there..

also, the dog can't communicate with us or understand us and our concerns

so it can't understand when it's advances are wanted (as in spiffors example, whoever did that to the dog should get put in jail (and probably the dog should be put down)) or appropriate

imagine the dog with a child? (who you express concern for)

the dog (or other animal) can initiate activity which a plant can't

and I tihnk it likely that dolphins aren't messed up by humans, but a number of them do seek sexual contact with humans, while I would consider that more open to discussion (I don't know about the level of dolphins) I would like to point out that at least currently I dont' know of any ocmmunication or depth of understanding which would be needed for it to be ok

Jon Miller

	16-07-2005 23:53									#32
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	17-07-2005 00:02									#33
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I wish I didn't open this thread....

quote: You probably will, actually.

quote: yeah you can.. dogs can get emotion, can feel pain, and so on and so forth there is a brain there..

I didn't say **** violently. Clealy, that should be illegal.

	17-07-2005 00:22									#34
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	17-07-2005 00:25									#35
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Huh...I did not know this. Man, my state is more messed up than I previously thought...

	17-07-2005 00:28									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller well, do you think that all sex with children is wrong?

Yes. I have wondered about it. The results of my reflection is that sex with a child, no matter the form (whether it be a monstrous rape, or the gentlest sexual relationship in the world), is wrong because it dramatically disrupts the way the child builds his sexual identity, and thus his adult identity. It messes children for a jolly long time.

quote: because all sex with animals is wrong for the same reason..

Not if the animal is adult and has a definite sexual identity already.
There may be arguments that say that bestiality is always wrong, but they're not the ones I'm using to say that sex with children is always wrong.

quote: and I would say that that dog is an example of why beastiality is always wrong, not an example of it being right... the dog is incapable of being on the same level as us... so who ever introduced it to human sex in the first place did great wrong..

I don't think anybody introduced that dog to sex. The masters looked baffled, and the girl was playing football when the dog began bothering her. I think the dog expressed interest all by himself all right.

	17-07-2005 00:34									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller I don't see how a dog's attempted rape of a girl is showing beastiality in a positive light

Well, imagine one minute that the girl had been an adept of bestiality, and accepted the Dog's advances. That would have been a form of consensual sex, even though the dog wouldn't have verbally expressed his agreement.

All I'm saying is that animals can sometimes enjoy sex with a human. Which is why bestiality should only be punished when the human is cruel with the animal. Cruelty is not always involved.

	17-07-2005 00:36									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I don't think anybody introduced that dog to sex. The masters look baffled, and the girl was playing football when the dog began bothering her. I think the dog expressed interest all by himself all right.

I bet she was menstruating

	17-07-2005 00:45									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Well, imagine one minute that the girl had been an adept of bestiality, and accepted the Dog's advances.

And adept of bestiality? Interesting choice of words

	17-07-2005 00:50									#40
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Reminds me of Piers Anthony...

	17-07-2005 01:05									#41
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse An internet list gives these 23 as allowing bestiality: Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Ohio, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Vermont, Washington state, West Virginia, Wyoming

So what. In Wales, it's positively encouraged

	17-07-2005 01:06									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker And adept of bestiality? Interesting choice of words

"adepte" in French doesn't have the same meaning as "adept" in English. Gotta remember that

	17-07-2005 01:18									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Theben I think Drake owes us an explanation...

You've got that backwards:

At least we have an explanation for Drake.

	17-07-2005 01:23									#44
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You guys are wrong...

	17-07-2005 01:31									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan You guys are wrong...

Franky, dude this whole concept is messed up. I am almost sure the fartherest the dog has gotte to a girl is humping the leg. I find it entertaining that anyone could think a male 4 legged dog would be able to grasp human intercourse. With that being said i must say that in the states that dont have laws for it, might have never had to deal with it as such an occurence we need laws to stop it from happening.

	17-07-2005 01:33									#46
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I've heard the term "**** you and the horse you rode in on." but this is ridiculous.



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	17-07-2005 01:35									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski I am almost sure the fartherest the dog has gotte to a girl is humping the leg. I find it entertaining that anyone could think a male 4 legged dog would be able to grasp human intercourse.

The dog made a point at sniffing the genitals, and nothing else. Fortunately, it was a nice dog, so it didn't get agressive, only tedious

Besides, if a dog can grasp the idea of intercourse with a canine vagina, I think it could also grasp the idea of intercourse with other species. Animals aren't only led by instinct, and they're not interchangeable. THey have sexual identities (as part as their general identity), and I can't think of any reason that makes dog able to be gay, but unable to be interspecists.

	17-07-2005 01:41									#48
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well spiff I dont know about that as far as i know animals dont rationalize gay or not. There main concepts are to eat **** sleep and **** thats about it. I pretty sure they have no concept of gay. My two male cats try to hump each other. I dont consider them gay cause most of the time they dont pay attention to each other. as far as the dogs they are attracted to certain smells. such as any type of feces being a cat or human they will eat it. The suggestion of a dog knowing how to is subjected to how they usually do it.

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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse An internet list gives these 23 as allowing bestiality: Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Ohio, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Vermont, Washington state, West Virginia, Wyoming

A while ago, a guy on CFC wanted me banned for nationbashing when I said that Sweden allows bestiality. I wish I'd known half of the US does it too back then.


A recent survey, BTW, found that horses are the (non-human) animal second most likely to be bestialized in Sweden, after dogs. Gone are the days when farmers were content to screw their heifers.

	17-07-2005 03:01									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Reminds me of Piers Anthony...

yeah, I read a few books by him

then realised that not only was he a hack, but that beastiality featured often...

so that was enough, I stopped reading him

Jm

	17-07-2005 03:20									#51
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There is this video floating around on the internet. Where this fellow stops his car and goes into this field to go to the washroom. Well it just so happened a donkey was pastured in this field. The Donkey spotted the man and got a boner which you can clearly see in the video. The donkey started chasing the man around the field. The man who didn't have time to pull up his pants started running, tripping and was trying desperately to get free of this horny donkey. It sure is one funny video.

	17-07-2005 04:27									#52
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There was a case a couple or so years ago in London or New York where a guy was arrested for indecent exposure or lewd conduct or something for allowing a dog to ass**** him. He claims the dog instigated the sexual behaviour, and he was just going along with it.

	17-07-2005 04:30									#53
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There was once this bloke who was caught giving a goat one. He decided to do it right next to a railway line (Hull-Bridlington service in fact) and a train got a stop signal and stopped right next to him He was arrested later but apparently the train was in hysterics...

	17-07-2005 05:29									#54
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"What are you trying to say Lassie? What did Timmy do?"

quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist A while ago, a guy on CFC wanted me banned for nationbashing when I said that Sweden allows bestiality. I wish I'd known half of the US does it too back then.

It's also not banned in Australia (parts), Netherlands or Germany.

quote: A recent survey, BTW, found that horses are the (non-human) animal second most likely to be bestialized in Sweden, after dogs.

Except for Sweden, who really loves their horses. Giddyup.

	17-07-2005 05:32									#55
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I blame my sister; it was she that told me that dogs were the top target.

	17-07-2005 05:43									#56
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Somehow I think Hawaii, New Hampshire, New Jersey, and Washington weaken that arguement, Dancing Cow.

Who says those states aren't full of rednecks?

	17-07-2005 06:54									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Theben I think Drake owes us an explanation...

It's a known fact that some farmers get a little too close with their livestock, but if you made bestiality illegal you would destroy the farm economy. The food you eat and serve every day depends in great part upon man on animal sex...

quote: At least we have an explanation for Drake.