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BlackCat
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51 legal systems and none of them can figure out how to protect children against this kind of abuse ?
Don't tell me that you mean this seriously.
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BlackCat
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Yeah, smartass messages of course explains it all.
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Rufus T. Firefly
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is one way of saying it, though I prefer "mensch"
Sep 2000
time: 07:37
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quote:
Originally posted by BlackCat
51 legal systems and none of them can figure out how to protect children against this kind of abuse ?
Don't tell me that you mean this seriously. |
No, 51 legal systems and some of them don't want to figure it out.
Utah's a great example. The state might as well be a theocracy, given the overwhelming influence of the Mormon church. Now, the Mormon's tend to be a rather patriarchal lot -- men rule women, parents rule children, etc. -- as well as believing that the government has no business interferring with family decisions.
Put that all together and what do you have? A system in which parents can do what they feel they need to to discipline their kids, and a system where the state has little to say about that.
(Of course, even Utah law seems to have something to say about it, but if most of the power structure agrees with the aims of programs like these, who's going to prosecute?)
The question that puzzles non-Americans, I suspect, is why the federal government doesn't overrule them. The reason is that, in our system, the Feds tend to leave these kinds of decisions to the states; teh same understanding of Federal-state relations that allow Massachusetts to permit gay marriage without Federal interference also allow this.
Ozzy is exactly right in suggesting that this is a civil rights issue; if kids had full civil rights, this couldn't happen. The minute you start suggesting that these kids should have some legal protection from this, conservatives -- and, remember, the run America now -- will start talking about how that would be the state interferring with parenting decisions. And, sadly, that kind of rhetoric goes a long way these days.
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Koyaanisqatsi
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of Maine paupers.
May 1999
time: 00:37
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His grades were dropping, too.
Edit: Doh. Must read post before responding.
Last edited by Koyaanisqatsi on 20-07-2005 at 15:57
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OzzyKP
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Rockville, MD
Oct 1999
time: 00:37
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This is the result of a society that doesn't give any civil rights to youth. When young people are second class citizens and treated like crap, scary stuff like this happens. And no one can do anything, and no one cares, because youth are property. The new slavery.
So when I talk about lowering the voting age, it is with situations like this in mind. Adults have shown time and time again that they don't give a damn about the rights of youth. The only ones who can protect young people, are young people themselves. That is the whole purpose of the right to vote. Democratic systems assume everyone will vote in their own self-interest, and everyone's competing self-interests will balance out. Without that right for young people there is no one voting for their interest (just people voting for their perceived interest, which often is horribly horribly wrong), and thus the system is unbalanced and results in atrocities like this.
My organization is trying to stop camps like this, and trying to organize youth (and adults) to fight back. To empower youth to work on their own behalf to stop these things and change the attitude of the public to reject such abuses on the rights of youth.
We need support.
If you want to see gulag schools stamped out of existence, and young people to be regarded as equals in society, please go to http://www.youthrights.org/donate.shtml and donate a few bucks/euros/yen/pesos. We really do need the help. Donations are tax deductable.
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DanielXY
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Germany
Dec 2002
time: 05:37
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Hmm... so did any of these kids that were in these camps and got back home when they turned 18 atemp
to
a) file a lawsuit against their parents
failing this (as the action is considered legal it seems)
b) kill their parents?
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