28-07-2005 02:34									#31
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 quote: You can't rate the game only based on a small map with many civs. quote: Hopefully having found some of the game's best and worst elements, I'll expand the map size to see if that changes much. If there are no show stoppers, this is when I'll finally start simply to play the game for pleasure and can begin to think about a proper review based on solid experience. quote: (regarding small maps, lots of civs, etc.) What I'm testing there specifically is AI aggressiveness and diplomacy. Abundant resources and land map helps this. And, frankly, if the war aspect of the game is flawed, then I'll be quite worried (I don't want Civ to be all about war, but the war aspect needs to be handled well). More generally just to finish a few games as a tutorial. Only if I find something really broken here will I walk away with a conclusion about much. From there, larger maps to get more nuance, test peace-time strategy, etc.

Even so, you can't base a review on only a few games.

	28-07-2005 02:44									#32
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Lord: Wow. You're determined. Where do I say "a few games"? Why not just wait and read the review. Make your decision then. Thanks.

	28-07-2005 02:48									#33
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 Lord: Wow. You're determined. Where do I say "a few games"? Why not just wait and read the review. Make your decision then. Thanks.

You're welcome. I fail to see how one can play more than a few games in two-four weeks.

	28-07-2005 02:52									#34
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Read the review. If it's any good, let me know. If it's not up to your level, please let me know that, too.

	28-07-2005 02:54									#35
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quote: Originally posted by yin26 Read the review. If it's any good, let me know. If it's not up to your level, please let me know that, too.

Elitism be Yarrr and woo

	28-07-2005 02:57									#36
	Got spare money?

Fascinating.

	28-07-2005 03:10									#37
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Play with the editor.

	28-07-2005 03:33									#38
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there's no option to come to apolyton and tell how much the game really sucks (when it doesn't)

So I voted, I'll play the game and try out all the new features.

	28-07-2005 03:40									#39
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Look for my Suburbs!!!!!!!

	28-07-2005 04:24									#40
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I'm sorry, the whole thing just looks so piggish and ugly, I recoil in disgust everytime I see a screenshot.

I am no fan of 3D graphics but infinitly better ones exist out there than the ones being used.

Of course I will buy it, it is Civ, but I won't like it.

	28-07-2005 04:25									#41
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You and I are cut from the same graphics mold, I guess. Anyway, it's heresy to speak ill of any aspect of the game. Prepare yourself!

	28-07-2005 04:54									#42
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It IS herecy to speak bad of a whole game because of graphics. From the screenshots, I'm not a huge fan of the graphics either, but it appears to me that they may be quite functional in game, which is good.

Heck, SMAC was excellent, and it had horrible graphics, very dark, units impossible to tell apart, etc. Civ4 graphics seem to at least be functional - and as long as the game has good gameplay, I'll be happy no matter what.

	28-07-2005 04:59									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Solver It IS herecy to speak bad of a whole game because of graphics. From the screenshots, I'm not a huge fan of the graphics either, but it appears to me that they may be quite functional in game, which is good. Heck, SMAC was excellent, and it had horrible graphics, very dark, units impossible to tell apart, etc. Civ4 graphics seem to at least be functional - and as long as the game has good gameplay, I'll be happy no matter what.

Not to mention the supposed easy-modibility, which will allow modders to vastly improve the graphics.

	28-07-2005 06:28									#44
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Open game, install, ignore family, grow smelly over time, braid myu beard between turns, have big fight about not spending time with family and being smelly, capitulate like a coward, only play when wife is away or sleeping.

	28-07-2005 07:27									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Solver It IS herecy to speak bad of a whole game because of graphics. From the screenshots, I'm not a huge fan of the graphics either, but it appears to me that they may be quite functional in game, which is good. Heck, SMAC was excellent, and it had horrible graphics, very dark, units impossible to tell apart, etc. Civ4 graphics seem to at least be functional - and as long as the game has good gameplay, I'll be happy no matter what.

Actually, in the case of SMAC the graphics interfered with my ability to play the game so much that I believe they are a valid reason alone to speak badly of it.

	28-07-2005 07:44									#46
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First thing I'm gunna do when I get Civ4 is to log onto Apolyton and download the movie of Yin eating his copy.

	28-07-2005 08:03									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Dale First thing I'm gunna do when I get Civ4 is to log onto Apolyton and download the movie of Yin eating his copy.

So shall I my friend, so shall I.

	28-07-2005 13:12									#48
	Full PM-box? Change here!

After having installed the game I'll start a SP game to check out the new stuff


Civilopedia

	28-07-2005 15:29									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Nuclear Even so, you can't base a review on only a few games.

Lord, most of magazine and internet site reviews are written on thinner base, AFAIK. From only a few turns to a couple of full games is sadly common, added to a rework of marketing statements. Heck, quite often the reviewer keep mentioning feature not published in gold version of the game or seems unaware of serius bugs only because they show at late game.

A honest review must be done on a clear description of game test setup, as Yin already explained.

If Yin will say he didn't tested the MP part of the game, he can still rate the SP and we'll know his rating is not about the game in full. Fair enough, IMO.

Reviewers are not gods, shouting rating from heavens for any weak mind of gamers' believers, but more advisors we are free to ignore or wholehearty thanks.

	28-07-2005 18:02									#50
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Cry, because my PC won't be able play it.

	28-07-2005 18:14									#51
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Unpack the .rar file it came in, and burn the .iso to a CD-R.


...What?

	28-07-2005 19:30									#52
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techie stuff

	28-07-2005 20:37									#53
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: Originally posted by ShaboobalaKhan Open game, install, ignore family, grow smelly over time, braid myu beard between turns, have big fight about not spending time with family and being smelly, capitulate like a coward, only play when wife is away or sleeping.

Been there, done that.

But now I don't have a wife to distract me.

	28-07-2005 21:09									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Tattila the Hun Unpack the .rar file it came in, and burn the .iso to a CD-R. ...What?

Why waste time burning, it's faster/easier to install from the HD

	28-07-2005 21:17									#55
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Read the civilopedia .

	28-07-2005 23:57									#56
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Believe it or not, I will start tutorial, if there is one. For whatever reasons I like going through the tutorial first, even if I more or less understand the dynamics of the game.

	28-07-2005 23:59									#57
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I absolutely despized the tutorial of Civ3.

it was my first civ game, and if it wasnt a stuborn second try WITHOUT the stupid tips turned on, i woulda never fell in love, I bet.

	29-07-2005 01:05									#58
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Yes, the tutorial in Civ3 was absolutely awful.

But since Civ4 is aimed to conquer the "masses", I think they'll make a much better tutorial this time.

	29-07-2005 01:23									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Brutus66 First thing I would do is download a hacked no-cd exe so I don't have to worry about putting the disk in every time I play in the future...

post that in a thread somewhere..PLEAASSEEE


I want to PBEM and not discover the good/bad for a long long time


Yin's idea is not bad either, never done that
Just might try it, except the review part

	29-07-2005 02:28									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Adm.Naismith Lord, most of magazine and internet site reviews are written on thinner base, AFAIK. From only a few turns to a couple of full games is sadly common, added to a rework of marketing statements. Heck, quite often the reviewer keep mentioning feature not published in gold version of the game or seems unaware of serius bugs only because they show at late game.

This is exactly why I don't trust game reviews.