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Cloutier is a lousy playoff goalie while Cujo shines in the playoffs. Cujo is getting old, but in a couple of years Auld will be ready.

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I'm back from Vacation everyone! it was nice, but i really missed being online.

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Cloutier is a lousy playoff goalie while Cujo shines in the playoffs. Cujo is getting old, but in a couple of years Auld will be ready.


Uhm, IMHO, both are pretty lousy in the playoffs. Cujo got swept by the Ducks 2 years ago, and unless I recall wrong, has never been to the finals. That may be better than Cloutier, but not by much. Isn't that the reason why Belfour is a Leaf right now and not Cujo?

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Cujo couldn't even do well with Detroit of all teams, in the playoffs. I don't see why he would be considered better than Cloutier.

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I think a pylon would make a playoff goalie than Cloutier.

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Well, then why don't the Canucks fire Cloutier and hire a pylon?

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It would free up a lot of room under the cap.

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Uhm, IMHO, both are pretty lousy in the playoffs. Cujo got swept by the Ducks 2 years ago, and unless I recall wrong, has never been to the finals. That may be better than Cloutier, but not by much. Isn't that the reason why Belfour is a Leaf right now and not Cujo?


Have a good vacation? Where did you go?

In the series against the Ducks, a couple of the games were double overtime, a couple were 1-0 wins for the Ducks, the other two were low scoring IIRC. Similar thing happened in the playoffs against the Flames.

As for Belfour vs Cujo, Eddie gets the nod cause he's won the Cup.

But the Leafs got rid of Cujo because of what happened in the Olympics in Japan. Quinn and Cujo didn't get along after that.

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Gretsky apparently is going to coach Phoenix...

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The NHL has decided the 17 months Todd Bertuzzi was prevented from playing hockey is enough punishment for a punch that may have ended Steve Moore's career, a decision the lawyer for the former Colorado Avalanche player called disappointing.

Commissioner Gary Bettman said Monday Bertuzzi is ''immediately eligible'' to begin playing hockey. The high-scoring power forward can be in the lineup when the Vancouver Canucks open their season Oct. 5 against the Phoenix Coyotes.

In a 4,500-word ruling, Bettman said he believes Bertuzzi ''is genuinely remorseful and apologetic for his actions . . . and the consequences that have flowed from such actions.''

But Moore's lawyer Tim Danson said the ruling means Bertuzzi can earn $5.2 million US this year while his client doesn't know if he'll ever play hockey again.



''Steve Moore is disappointed by the decision because he is unable to resume his career and my never resume his NHL career,'' Danson said in an interview.

''Steve has an uncertain future. He's got health challenges to deal with. While he maintains a very positive attitude . . . at this point he really is in the hands of doctors who will have to make the determination whether or not he will be able to play again.''

Danson also denied reports in a Toronto newspaper that a doctor has given Moore medical clearance to play hockey again.

''That statement is significantly false,'' Danson said.

Canuck GM Dave Nonis said he spoke briefly with Bertuzzi.

''He was in good spirits and was very relieved,'' Nonis said.

''It's a decision he hoped he would receive.''

Bertuzzi's agent Pat Morris didn't immediately return telephone calls.

Hockey Canada has already sent a request to the Canucks that Bertuzzi be available for a Team Canada Olympic training camp next week in Vancouver and Kelowna.

''I'm glad the NHL has finally stepped in and put him back in the game and reinstated him,'' Wayne Gretzky, Team Canada's executive director, told TSN in an interview. ''Nobody condones what Todd did. I'm sure he'd be the first one to tell you it was a mistake.

''But you know it's time to move forward. We will invite him to our training camp. He's an elite player and I expect him to have a great year and be part of Team Canada come February in Italy.''

Clips of Bertuzzi stalking Moore down the ice, punching him on the back of the head, then falling on top of him, were shown on television across North America following the March 8, 2004, incident. It became fodder for many to criticize violence in hockey.

Moore was taken off the ice on a stretcher. He suffered fractured vertebrae his neck, cuts and a concussion.

Bertuzzi was given an indefinite suspension that cost him the remaining 13 regular-season games of the 2003-04 season and sidelined him for the Canucks seven-game playoff loss to the Calgary Flames.

He was not allowed to play for Canada in the September 2004 World Cup of Hockey and the May 2005 IIHF world hockey championship. The IIHF respected the NHL's suspension and wouldn't let him play in Europe during last year's NHL lockout.

Financially, the suspension cost Bertuzzi $501,926.39 US in salary, plus $350,000 in endorsement.

A television commercial featuring Bertuzzi was pulled soon after the incident.

Bettman said besides the money, Bertuzzi paid an emotional price.

''After listening to Mr. Bertuzzi and his wife Julie Bertuzzi, I have no doubt that this period of indefinite suspension has been mark by uncertainty, anxiety, stress and emotional pain for the Bertuzzi family,'' he said.

Bettman said the suspension also ''cost the team competitively, resulting in a less favourable 2004 playoff experience than the club otherwise may have achieved.''

Danson said Bertuzzi should be suspended for 82 games, the same penalty Marty McSorley received for clubbing Donald Brashear on the head with his stick.

He also rejected the idea Bertuzzi suffered during the lockout.

''I think the lost year shouldn't count,'' Danson said.

''Steve Moore was unable to play in Europe as well. I don't think it's proportional to the injuries that were suffered by Steve Moore.''

Bettman said he realizes that because of the labour dispute, some people may think a 17-month suspension is ''inadequate, and not proportionate to suspensions imposed on other players.''

''I am comfortable and confident that Mr. Bertuzzi suffered an even more significant impact financially and emotionally during the full term of his suspension,'' Bettman said.

''There is no one who can suggest that this matter has not already been dealt with in a severe and harsh manner.''

He warned Bertuzzi was ''on probation'' for the 2005-06 season.

''Mr. Bertuzzi is on notice that he will be held strictly accountable to a higher standard than other NHL players for his on-ice conduct during the 2005-06 season,'' he said.

In December Bertuzzi pleaded guilty to assault causing bodily harm and received a conditional discharge. He was sentenced to a year's probation and 80 hours of community service.

Part of that probation was that Bertuzzi not play hockey or engage ''in any other sporting activity involving Mr. Moore as a participant.''

Asked about Moore's health, Danson said Moore has improved to the point where he is attempting to train.

''He's trying to get back to where he was,'' Danson said Monday prior to the announcement. ''There's challenges. He's moving along.''

''He is determined to make a full recovery and resume his NHL career,'' Danson added. ''However he has suffered very serious injuries and a serious head injury. Even if you make a full recovery by appearances, concussion injuries are a different kind of injury.''

Moore has filed a civil suit in Denver naming Bertuzzi, former Canucks forward Brad May, Canucks coach Marc Crawford, former GM Brian Burke and Orca Bay Sports and Entertainment, which owns the team.

Bettman's decision was released the same day that Gretzky announced he was taking over as coach in Phoenix.

Danson wanted the league to delay its decision on Bertuzzi until after Moore had undergone comprehensive medical evaluation at the Cleveland Clinic in June.

The results of that examination won't be known until at least the end of the month.


About time, too.

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Can that Danson ******* STFU now?

He wants to sue in civil court, but he also wants to further block Bertuzzi from the ability to pay any judgement?

The climate of victims crying for blood is going too far.

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Chris Osgood returns to the Red Wings.

Bertuzzi.

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Have a good vacation? Where did you go?

In the series against the Ducks, a couple of the games were double overtime, a couple were 1-0 wins for the Ducks, the other two were low scoring IIRC. Similar thing happened in the playoffs against the Flames.

As for Belfour vs Cujo, Eddie gets the nod cause he's won the Cup.

But the Leafs got rid of Cujo because of what happened in the Olympics in Japan. Quinn and Cujo didn't get along after that.


New Brunswick. Kinda nice, but I really was glad to get home in the end.

BTW, I think your thinking of the Salt Lake City olympics. I dont think Cujo went to Japan.

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Bertuzzi is scum, he needs to sit out this season too.

He basically missed like 21 games total for potentially ruining someone's career, disgusting.

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New Brunswick. Kinda nice, but I really was glad to get home in the end.

BTW, I think your thinking of the Salt Lake City olympics. I dont think Cujo went to Japan.


I checked with Hockey Canada...

Cujo DID go to Nagano, but didn't play any meaningful games, and was a member of the Oilers at the time.

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Bertuzzi is scum, he needs to sit out this season too.

He basically missed like 21 games total for potentially ruining someone's career, disgusting.


Your Flames barely squeeked by Vancouver with him out of the lineup. With him playing there's no way they could have made it to the second round, let alone to the finals.

I'd say the impact of those 21 games was plenty.

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Cloutier sucked no matter if Bertuzzi played or not, don't kid yourself.

Vancouver's problem in the playoffs was defensive, not offensive.

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I'll remind you that in the period after Bertuzzi was suspended in regular season play, the Canucks did better than when he was with the Canucks.

Vancouver was 7-3-2-1 since they lost Bertuzzi in the regular season before facing Calgary in the playoffs: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/playoffs/matc...9155&round=9149

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Bertuzzi is scum, he needs to sit out this season too.

He basically missed like 21 games total for potentially ruining someone's career, disgusting.


He wasn't allowed to play in Europe last season due to NHL sanctions.

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I am kind of the opinion that his suspension should have gone longer, cuz i dont really believe he was upset about missing a locked out season or European league hockey.

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I don't feel myself sufficiently hooked into the emotional ethernet to be able to say one way or the other.

I do think that what happened to Moore is tragic, but I have to wonder if Bertuzzi intended such harm. I take note that a judge has ruled on the matter, and imprisonment was not thought appropriate.

Why should his livelihood be further effected? Especially when the proper continuation of retribution will be money that he earns that he then pays as restitution to Mr. Moore. To do that, he will have to be able to ply his trade.

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I'll be happy to have Bert back with the Canucks, and I don't expect him to run into problems again. As for the Canucks being better with or without Bert, the playoffs are all about clutching and grabbing, as Calgary amply demonstrated. They needed Bert's style to break through, and even without him, pushed Calgary to the brink of elimination.

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The problem was Calgary was a young, energetic team and most of the other playoff teams were full of geriatrics that can't play the game when its played so fast.

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Flames get Phillipe Sauve from Colorado: http://www.calgaryflames.com/cgi-bi...?displayNode=88

Young goalie (25 years old) with a promising improving track record. Got him for a seventh round conditional 2006 draft pick from Colorado...a steal IMO.

Kipper was also a steal from San Jose...maybe Daryl has a good eye for good, underutilized goalies.

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The problem was Calgary was a young, energetic team and most of the other playoff teams were full of geriatrics that can't play the game when its played so fast.


Emphasis on the phrase 'most'.

Which is why they lost in the end.

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For some unknown reason, I've been accidentally passed some pretty somewhat confidential information, but part of the terms that team Lindros wants in the contract is as follows:

1. The Maple Leafs must have a bottle of Bonnie Lindros' breast-milk on the bench at all times with Eric's name on it.
2. Lindros can play Fri and Saturday night games only if he is home by 11pm.
3. Eric's pre-game meal must consist of PB & J with the crusts cut off, a pint of chocolate milk, and a note telling him how proud Bonnie (MOM) is of him.
4. A "Maple Leaf Mom" magnet for the back of the family Caravan.

Totally weird that I somehow got a hold of this

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For some unknown reason, I've been accidentally passed some pretty somewhat confidential information, but part of the terms that team Lindros wants in the contract is as follows:

1. The Maple Leafs must have a bottle of Bonnie Lindros' breast-milk on the bench at all times with Eric's name on it.
2. Lindros can play Fri and Saturday night games only if he is home by 11pm.
3. Eric's pre-game meal must consist of PB & J with the crusts cut off, a pint of chocolate milk, and a note telling him how proud Bonnie (MOM) is of him.
4. A "Maple Leaf Mom" magnet for the back of the family Caravan.

Totally weird that I somehow got a hold of this


I believe it. But somehow, i think Lindros and the Leafs were made for each other (other than the fact that both are from Toronto )

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I believe it. But somehow, i think Lindros and the Leafs were made for each other (other than the fact that both are from Toronto )


Especially if they end up paying Lindros twice what he's worth and he turns in a mediocre season at best. It's just the Maple Leafs' way.

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Especially if they end up paying Lindros twice what he's worth and he turns in a mediocre season at best. It's just the Maple Leafs' way.




Right now, i'm thinking they're gonna miss the playoffs, and that would be so sweet.

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