07-08-2005 10:48									#31
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quote: If Marijuana was a harmless drug, there wouldn't be anything wrong with this.

No drug is harmless, thats why they're called drugs. Even aspirin can gradually eat away the stomach lining in some people leading to ulcers.

quote: years are not enough anyway

Way too much, I'd have her attend a parenting class and not jail her. What she did was stupid but it aint like the kid is going to suffer from a one time experience. This aint like a mother boozing it up during a pregnancy resulting in fetal alcohol syndrome. Mothers who smoke tobacco do much more damage than this mother...

	07-08-2005 10:55									#32
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If a mother is locked up for offering a kid a joint, should we also lock up those who live near areas with heavy air pollution?

	07-08-2005 11:05									#33
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I can only think what a loser she is, and so even though 5 years is too long, I'm glad there's one less loser on the street.

	07-08-2005 17:00									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Smiley If a mother is locked up for offering a kid a joint, should we also lock up those who live near areas with heavy air pollution?

We should lock up the factory and car owners.

	07-08-2005 20:18									#35
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As far as I can tell back in the good old days, before the discovery that certain drugs could help hyperactive kids, children who wouldn't sit still and learn in class were either subjected to sufficient quantities of corporal punishment to make them comply with classroom rules or failing that were labelled as mentally retarded and sent home permanently. Deprived of education and socil contacts with other kids they fell further behind in development until the label placed upon them became a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Anyone care to go back to the good old days?

	07-08-2005 20:20									#36
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As someone who was given ritalin as a child... yes.

	07-08-2005 20:22									#37
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As someone who was given ritalin as a child... hell no.

	07-08-2005 20:23									#38
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You're on ritalin? That explains alot.

	07-08-2005 20:23									#39
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Was.

	07-08-2005 20:27									#40
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As someone who should have been on Ritalin as a child, I wish we'd had it when I was growing up.

	07-08-2005 20:28									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Was.

That explains why you've become so much more obnoxious.

	07-08-2005 20:42									#42
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Some people say that ritalin is prescribed for kids who don't really need it now. It's just easy to drug kids up when they just need more love and attention.

	07-08-2005 21:09									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Some people say that ritalin is prescribed for kids who don't really need it now. It's just easy to drug kids up when they just need more love and attention.

It is kind of hard to give your kids love and attention when both parents have to work all day to live, and teachers and schools are too thickheaded to adapt thier curricula to kids with ADHD (no, insted we are made to check in every morning in the special ed. room where the people treat us like we are retarded. )

	07-08-2005 21:35									#44
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well, it's hardly new. Governmental and social acceptance of drugs is in direct connection to their socio-economic utility. The mind-altering substances that are allowed are usually those that are important to keep the social order.

	08-08-2005 01:10									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove I've known some 5 year olds that were so hyper that it would take you all of five minutes alone in the room with them before you would beg me to give the sweet tyke his Ritalin. Sometimes Ritalin is the only thing keeping these kids alive.

it just seems strange to me. How were these hyper children dealt with in the 40's?

Something is wrong with kids today. I'm not sure what it is. It's either lack of exercise or perhaps the quick editing of today's cartoons and tv shows ****s with their brain somehow.

	08-08-2005 17:46									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Uncle Sparky I was going to post something but i forgot what i was going to post so i'm just going to finish eating this bag of doritos instead...

Dude, look at your hand! Wait, that's my hand! Whoa.

	08-08-2005 17:49									#47
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I was borderline hyperactive / violent as a child. Gym classes and recess saved my life.

	08-08-2005 19:17									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Donegeal Ok, I'll bite. Its worse because a doctor is educated and trained in the effects of drugs, both long and short term, whereas this mother is not. She does not have the proper training (most likely she doesn't have ANY training) to be perscribing (and administering) durgs to an infant.

doctors... drug pushers for the pharmaceutical companies

actually, I can't really blame doctors... it's the system based on profit and sales that should be to blame. How the hell can a doctor even come close to doing a good job when patients are rushed in and out like an assembly line. How is a doctor supposed to do a good job when he/she spends like 15 minutes (if that) with a patient... and when dozens of patients are seen on any given day. And their entire livelihoods are based upon how much vicodin or viagra or crestor or ritalin they can dish out.

As for the topic? MJ to an infant? plain stupidity... more reason why you should need a license to have a kid. I mean, in this country we put people through a ruthless screening process if they want to adopt... but yet, it's okay if some 15 year old crack whore has five kids by five different fathers just so she can collect more welfare to spend on drugs.

	09-08-2005 14:07									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Sava doctors... drug pushers for the pharmaceutical companies actually, I can't really blame doctors... it's the system based on profit and sales that should be to blame. How the hell can a doctor even come close to doing a good job when patients are rushed in and out like an assembly line. How is a doctor supposed to do a good job when he/she spends like 15 minutes (if that) with a patient... and when dozens of patients are seen on any given day. And their entire livelihoods are based upon how much vicodin or viagra or crestor or ritalin they can dish out.

Doctors don't tend to profit much from prescribing drugs, they profit from the visit where the patient, spurred by endless advertisments, demands that the doctor give them a prescription. Think about it. They write you a paper and then you go somewhere else and buy the drug.

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I've heard doctors receive money and medical equipment from drug companies.

	09-08-2005 14:26									#51
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medical equipment? and does what exactly? hoard it at his home?

	09-08-2005 14:29									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Dis I've heard doctors receive money and medical equipment from drug companies.

They mainly get free sample drugs, pens, t-shirts etc. There is some payola, but it's considered unethical even where it is legal.

	09-08-2005 14:36									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove As far as I can tell back in the good old days, before the discovery that certain drugs could help hyperactive kids, children who wouldn't sit still and learn in class were either subjected to sufficient quantities of corporal punishment to make them comply with classroom rules or failing that were labelled as mentally retarded and sent home permanently. Deprived of education and socil contacts with other kids they fell further behind in development until the label placed upon them became a self-fulfilling prophecy. Anyone care to go back to the good old days?

Then there kids like me who were completely off the scale at the other end of the spectrum i.e. impulsive, uncontrollable but also bright and bored.

I don't agree with medicating kids to bring them back to a behavioural mean.

The only caveat for me is I'm not sure why behavioural problems seem to be so prevalent today - is it bad parenting or environmental factors like pollution or the result of drug taking or chemical influences on the parents transmitted through the genes?

Or is it all just a media beat up and there is nothing new? I really don't know and that's why I'm suspicious of giving kids drugs.

	09-08-2005 14:44									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Az medical equipment? and does what exactly? hoard it at his home?

use it in their practice of course. So they don't have to buy it. Esp. in the case of new equipment that makes old equipment obsolete.