14-09-2005 22:33									#301
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It must have been your browser. I didn't change anything.

	14-09-2005 22:39									#302
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quote: Originally posted by rah It must have been your browser. I didn't change anything.

Silly firefox ... getting delusions of sentience again ... ...






You just keep on believing they're just delusions ... you'll see ...

	14-09-2005 22:43									#303
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Two sets of orders sent (turn 21 and 22).

and a more boring 2 sets of orders I have not sent , should have done a couple of RL LR combos just to keep it interesting for rah and to take advantage of being able to use the swaybars in the pitt area now

* Sparrowhawk

	14-09-2005 22:47									#304
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rofl

If i'm reading right, that means everyone's either sent or sent a queue?

	14-09-2005 23:29									#305
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You might be right. I'll check and maybe post another update later today.

...and jeff, funny man. I get confused enough already, please keep it simple for the old man.

	15-09-2005 03:16									#306
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The queue is good for this turn. Next turn it must be reconsidered due to the sandbaggers.

	15-09-2005 06:16									#307
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code:

TURN number 21	  RACE IS 3 LAPS  (Current lap is 2)

                   1    1    2    2    3    3    4    4    5    5    6    6    7
x axis-> 0....5....0....5....0....5....0....5....0....5....0....5....0....5....0
y axis | .............................................************************..
       v ............................................*************************..
         ...........................................*O*................******...
         ..........................................***..................****....
         5....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+***.+....+....+....+...**....+
         ........................................***...................***......
         .......................................***...................***.......
         ......................................***...................***........
         ....................................*****..................***.........
        10....+....+....+....+....+....+....*****+....+....+....+..****...+....+
         ...*******************************O****..................****..........
         ..*************************************.................*****..........
         .**************************************.END SAND TRAP...=====.ALLEY....
         .*************************************..................*****J.........
        15.************.+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+*****I...+....+
         ...***********..........................................*****H.........
         ....*********...........................................*****G.........
         ....********............................................*****F.........
         .....*******............................................*****E.........
        20....+******...+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+*****D...+....+
         ......******............................................*****C.........
         ......******............................................*****B.........
         .......*****............................................*****A.........
         .......****.............................START.SAND.TRAP.=====.ALLEY....
        25....+..***....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.***+....+....+
         ........***..............................................***...........
         ........***..............................................***...........
         ........***..............................................***...........
         .......*****.............................................***...........
        30....+*******..+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.***+....+....+
         ......*******............................................***...........
         ......********...........................................***...........
         ......*********..........................................***...........
         ......*******35*.........................................***...........
        35....+******* S**...+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.***+....+....+
         ......*******  S*.........................................***..........
         ......*******  ##-speed.limit..............................***.........
         ......*******  **....6......................................***........
         ......*******  **............................................***.......
        40....+*******  **...+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.***+....+
         ......*******  **..............................................***.....
         ......*******  P4-pit stop......................................***....
         ......*******  1*  marker .......................................***...
 START/FINISH>>=======  Z*.................................................***..
        45....+*******  **...+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.....***.+
         ......*******  **.................................................***..
         ......*******  **................................................***...
         ......*******  ##-end limit.....................................***....
         ......******* 2**..............................................***.....
        50....+**********....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.***+....+
         ......*********..............................................***.......
         ......********..............................................***........
         ......*******..............................................***.........
         ......******..............................................***..........
        55....+*****....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.***+....+....+
         ......****...............................................****..........
         ......****...............................................*****.........
         ......****...............................................******........
         ......****...............................................*******.......
        60....+****+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.********+....+
         ......****...............................................********......
         ......****...............................................********......
         ......*****..............................................*******.......
         ......******............................................*******........
        65....+.*****************************....+....+....+....*******...+....+
         ........***O*************************.................******...........
         .........************************************************.............
         ..........*************O*********************O***********..............
         ...........*************************O*******************...............
        70....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+
           
 MAX=Max speed
 SB=SAND BOMBS
Cust=Sway(S) or Turbo(T) or Performance (P)
Z=6,7

C=known clear square in sand trap alley. 

CAR   DRIVER           DIRECTION  SPEED  WC  MAX  SB  CUST  ORDERS
***   *************       ***      ***   **   **  **  ****  **********
 1.   Teh Cowboy           S        5     7   17  03  SWAY  BMMMMA
 2.   Butch Cash gj       SW        7     9   17  04  PERF  (M5)RA
 3.   Kassiopeia          SE        6     4   10  02  TURB  (4M)L(3M)BB
 4.   Jeff Hawksworthy     S        6     7   15  06  SWAY  B(M6)
 5.   John E. Wheeler     SE        6     4   10  02  TURB  BBL(m5)
 6.   Snoop Dawg           S        5     5   19  03  TURB  BBMMMAA
 7.   Taht! Druggie        S        6     5   18  03  SWAY  B(4M)A(A+1)
 

Butch comes out of the pit first and let's see how long he can keep it with SBs reloaded.
Snoop and Druggie have incidental contact in the pit, no penalty.
Spaced's strat worked and he reaps the reward. He's even in a position to slip. (I checked
the rules and it is not prohibited and since I'm allowing Special powers in the pit, I'll allow
slips, but the speed will count at the beginning of the turn for pit speed limit purposes)
Check your queues guys.
Jeff just touches the turn over point and is regened.
Wheeler and Kass make their final approaches in a different fashion as Kass decides to use
the SBs that Cowboy used. As a result he pulls up to Wheeler

MAX SPEEDS ARE UP AND IT"S TIME TO ROCK AND ROLL, with a few SBs tossed in

Now accepting orders for turn 22

	15-09-2005 06:54									#308
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New queue sent for impeccable pitting.

	15-09-2005 09:28									#309
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I think I asked this in a previous game, but I don't remember the answer so I will ask again rather then risk screwing up.......

I am going to end my turn on the "##" at the end of the Pitt and a speed of 6.......can I end my turn with an "A" or does this still count as part of the pitt area and result in a speed violation and reversal of the pitt result? Also, on the following turn can I start with an "A" or does this also count as a speed violation and a reduction of the pitt benefit?

I quoted the rules but I am not positive I am reading them right:

quote: Pit stop. Speed limit. must be 6 or less inbetween and including ## markers. Your speed is determined as you cross the ## marker. "A"s or "B"s at the beginning of your speed (if done prior to passing ##) are not counted towards your current speed. example. You're 2 squares from the ## marker. Your current speed is 8 your orders are B(B+1)MMMMMM . Since your Bs are executed before you move, your speed will be considered 6 IF YOU VIOLATE THE SPEED LIMIT, YOU RECEIVE NO BENEFIT FROM THE PIT STOP and you will have just wasted your time.

* Sparrowhawk

	15-09-2005 10:10									#310
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Although Rah undoubtedly will have the opposite opinion of me ...

"including" means to me that you can't have a speed of 7+ while on the ##. So, no A until the beginning of next turn... but i'm not sure if you could begin your next turn with A or not. I'd say yes to the latter, but i'd be a lot less sure about that.

	15-09-2005 11:37									#311
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Hmm, I don't like this, but I think I'll stick with my queue.

	15-09-2005 16:35									#312
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vroom!!!

sent

	15-09-2005 17:00									#313
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Silly old man that I am, I'm sure I've decided this one before but memory sometimes fail me. (yes, you all will be old one day also) And I'm too lazy to go back and check posts to see if the following answer will be consistent so here's the rulling of the day.

The pit includes the ## markers so you can't end the turn that you land on them with an A since your end speed would be 7. Same as entering the pit.
But if you're sitt ing on the final ## your next square is not in the pit so you can add and A to start that turn.
This is similar to the P marker, If you land on it you are regenerated and considered past it at the start of the next turn, so I believe this is consistent with how it should be.
If someone wants to go back and search for a possible contradiction before the next turn is logged, I'll rule on it.
I still may ignore previous precedence.
(because the GM is still the final arbitrator)

	15-09-2005 18:36									#314
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Rah, You would not let me A on the end pit marker in the last one that you did, but it were my second A so it may have had more to do with no special powers in the pit than what you are stating above.

Sent by the way. Queue no longer valid.

	15-09-2005 19:43									#315
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So you're AGREEING with me?

	15-09-2005 22:21									#316
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Okay, I think I am clear now then

and as a result, the orders I sent with last turn are still good to go

* Sparrowhawk

	15-09-2005 23:59									#317
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 So you're AGREEING with me?

Never!

	16-09-2005 18:33									#318
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Yeah, I remember that it was Spaced that it was an issue with and I do think it was the special power issue involved so maybe this is still consistent.
I was on the golf course all day yesterday. As soon as I catch up this morning, I'll do an update. Assuming I have everyone's orders or valid queues.

	16-09-2005 20:12									#319
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Druggie, your orders make no sense. Please review and submit new ones. If you do an A to start your turn it will negate your pit stop.

	16-09-2005 20:39									#320
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Curious,

What was the reasoning behind no crashes in the pits? The track is just as wide and it is not like they do have issues with this in RL.

	16-09-2005 21:09									#321
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Just thought there should be a safe haven. I also didn't want oil slicks in the pit area. I figured it would be a logical place for bunching up and a couple of crashes with oil could have made the pit unuseable. I was thinking of having pit crews throw sand or forcing people to use SBs. With all the possible combinations I figured it was probably just easier to not have crashes in the pit. Totally personal preference. Not based on RL. And even though the pit speed limit is 6 and cars don't come to an actual stop, I'm assuming low speed bumps that wouldn't cause much damage.


Many different ways of saying I don't know why I created that rule.

	16-09-2005 23:38									#322
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code:

TURN number 22	  RACE IS 3 LAPS  (Current lap is 2)

                   1    1    2    2    3    3    4    4    5    5    6    6    7
x axis-> 0....5....0....5....0....5....0....5....0....5....0....5....0....5....0
y axis | .............................................************************..
       v ............................................*************************..
         ...........................................*O*................******...
         ..........................................***..................****....
         5....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+***.+....+....+....+...**....+
         ........................................***...................***......
         .......................................***...................***.......
         ......................................***...................***........
         ....................................*****..................***.........
        10....+....+....+....+....+....+....*****+....+....+....+..****...+....+
         ...*******************************O****..................****..........
         ..*************************************.................*****..........
         .**************************************.END SAND TRAP...=====.ALLEY....
         .*************************************..................*****J.........
        15.************.+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+*****I...+....+
         ...***********..........................................*****H.........
         ....*********...........................................*****G.........
         ....********............................................*****F.........
         .....*******............................................*****E.........
        20....+******...+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+*****D...+....+
         ......******............................................*****C.........
         ......******............................................*****B.........
         .......*****............................................*****A.........
         .......****.............................START.SAND.TRAP.=====.ALLEY....
        25....+..***....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.***+....+....+
         ........***..............................................***...........
         ........***..............................................***...........
         ........***..............................................***...........
         .......*****.............................................***...........
        30....+*******..+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.***+....+....+
         ......*******............................................***...........
         ......********...........................................***...........
         ......*********..........................................***...........
         ......**********.........................................***...........
        35....+******* S**...+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.***+....+....+
         ......*******  S*.........................................***..........
         ......*******  ##-speed.limit..............................***.........
         ......*******  35....6......................................***........
         ......*******  **............................................***.......
        40....+*******  **...+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.***+....+
         ......*******  **..............................................***.....
         ......*******  PP-pit stop......................................***....
         ......*******  **  marker .......................................***...
 START/FINISH>>=======  **.................................................***..
        45....+*******  **...+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.....***.+
         ......*******  **.................................................***..
         ......*******  **................................................***...
         ......*******  4#-end limit.....................................***....
         ......******* 1**..............................................***.....
        50....+*******76*....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.***+....+
         ......*********..............................................***.......
         ......********..............................................***........
         ......*******..............................................***.........
         ......******..............................................***..........
        55....+*****....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.***+....+....+
         ......****...............................................****..........
         ......***2...............................................*****.........
         ......****...............................................******........
         ......****...............................................*******.......
        60....+****+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+.********+....+
         ......****...............................................********......
         ......****...............................................********......
         ......*****..............................................*******.......
         ......******............................................*******........
        65....+.*****************************....+....+....+....*******...+....+
         ........***O*************************.................******...........
         .........************************************************.............
         ..........*************O*********************O***********..............
         ...........*************************O*******************...............
        70....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+....+
           
 MAX=Max speed
 SB=SAND BOMBS
Cust=Sway(S) or Turbo(T) or Performance (P)
Z=6,7

C=known clear square in sand trap alley. 

CAR   DRIVER           DIRECTION  SPEED  WC  MAX  SB  CUST  ORDERS
***   *************       ***      ***   **   **  **  ****  **********
 1.   Teh Cowboy          SW        8     6   17  03  SWAY  S(5M)RA(A+1)
 2.   Butch Cash gj        S        8     8   17  04  PERF  A(A+1)(M5)L(M3)
 3.   Kassiopeia           S        3     4   10  02  TURB  (2M)R(M)B
 4.   Jeff Hawksworthy    SW        6     7   15  06  SWAY  (M5)R
 5.   John E. Wheeler      S        4     4   10  02  TURB  BB(m2)R(m1)
 6.   Snoop Dawg          SW        7     5   19  02  TURB  A(M5)RA SB13,50
 7.   Taht! Druggie       SW        6     5   18  03  SWAY  (M4)RMA

	16-09-2005 23:53									#323
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quote: Originally posted by rah Just thought there should be a safe haven. I also didn't want oil slicks in the pit area. I figured it would be a logical place for bunching up and a couple of crashes with oil could have made the pit unuseable. I was thinking of having pit crews throw sand or forcing people to use SBs. With all the possible combinations I figured it was probably just easier to not have crashes in the pit. Totally personal preference. Not based on RL. And even though the pit speed limit is 6 and cars don't come to an actual stop, I'm assuming low speed bumps that wouldn't cause much damage. Many different ways of saying I don't know why I created that rule.

Cool, just curious.

	17-09-2005 00:54									#324
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submitted!

vroom again!

	17-09-2005 04:53									#325
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Sent!

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	17-09-2005 06:05									#326
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sent

	19-09-2005 03:26									#327
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Orders sent.

	19-09-2005 17:41									#328
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Thanks Rah! Back now, sending orders in a few minutes

	19-09-2005 17:45									#329
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Sent Butch's 6 through the pits got him quite a lot. I wonder if he can hold it

	19-09-2005 18:26									#330
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Stupid question number 47:

Spambombing an oil slick makes it a nuetral spot again, right?