14-08-2005 12:35									#31
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So I take it jabs at BYU are off limits?

	14-08-2005 14:59									#32
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara We Anglicans can get divorced. Our preists can get married. We can have women and gay priests (and even a Bishop). We're way cooler than Catholics.

Indeed it's cool to have sex-crazy bloody party-liky king as the father of the church instead of Jesus...


But English only turned anglican for they missed some other reason to persecute the Irish.

quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: I was stunned, wondered why they are separate churches. Cause Henry wanted a divorce. Losing England for want of a divorce... silly Pope.

A church needs to have some rules, which reminds me: all the thing chegitz boasted with are late addition, Anglican church has no rules and does what it's asked for.
But, actually, it was not only about the rules: first wife of Henry was Spanish, and pope prefered losing England to losing Spain.

	15-08-2005 19:17									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove About the same number are Episcopalians. We've produced one-quarter of the country's Presidents. I wouldn't be shocked if the figures were similar for the Congress, state governors and the courts. God only knows what portion of the nation's assets are owned by Episcopalians. We did it all without a bunch of flashy missionaries. Do you want to know what our secret is?

Jewish advisors?

Seriously, whats the deal with American Episcopalians and Canterbury, and the king. I mean the whole point of the Act of Supremacy was that it was wrong for a foreign institution to control the spiritual life of England, right? That the bad thing about the Pope denying Henry his annulment was that it was done for political reasons, out of deference to Charles the V, and not for religious reasons, so that Englands future was held hostage to considerations of Italian politics, right? And legal precedent was established for the ancient autonomy of the English church, under local kings, going back to mythical 2nd century monarchs.

So like, its 1783, and these dudes in Virginia, etc, have shaken off the king, said good bye to their departing loyalist cousins, and pledged loyalty to the Republic. And they decide to keep their church subordinate to a foreign clergyman, himself appointed by the very same foreign potentate theyd just waged war against. Kinda puts them right back, politically, where Henry was in 1529, huh? Now theologically, it would seem to make sense to go back to Rome, or something like that. Though I guess that wouldnt have made them popular with their Congregational neighbors, and would have been a problem for their married clergy, their low church members, etc. But still, it seems to be a huge contradiction.

	15-08-2005 19:22									#34
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quote: Originally posted by GePap If it were a Catholic Cathdral it would probably get more people, St. Patricks, which is much smaller, gets more people than that by far.

Ya, well, St Pattys has location. I mean its QOTM's favorite church by far. "Clean bathrooms, right there on 5th Avenue"

	15-08-2005 19:41									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Dis And Utah is still the 3rd greatest state in the union (behind Nevada and Arizona)

hmmm Its not often you see Utah and Nevada lumped together like that ( I mean I don't imagine Vegas and Salt Lake City being that similar)

What distingushes these places other than the fact that they are geographically proximate to one another?

	15-08-2005 19:43									#36
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quote: What distingushes these places other than the fact that they are geographically proximate to one another?

Canyon Country...

	15-08-2005 21:25									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber hmmm Its not often you see Utah and Nevada lumped together like that ( I mean I don't imagine Vegas and Salt Lake City being that similar) What distingushes these places other than the fact that they are geographically proximate to one another?

Red States. Dis loves all the Red States.

	16-08-2005 00:26									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Red States. Dis loves all the Red States.

But aren't there some states which are even "more red"---- I mean wouldn't Texas be his over the top favorite ??

	16-08-2005 03:05									#39
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Aside from the magic underwear and ther refusal to drink alcohol, Mormons are fantastic people, IMHO!

	16-08-2005 03:06									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber But aren't there some states which are even "more red"---- I mean wouldn't Texas be his over the top favorite ??

actually a recent article I read named the most red and blue cities in america.

Provo, Utah was the most red. Texas isn't as conservative as most people think. Utah blows Texas away for conservatism.

	16-08-2005 03:13									#41
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P.S. on the Cathedrals....

The trippiest Cathedral that I've ever seen was the Sagrada Familia in Barcelona, Spain. It's like a cathedral on acid, especially with Gaudi's design and the bright, festive colors on the spires. It looks like, from some angles, like a gingerbread house would after a rainstorm.

	16-08-2005 03:30									#42
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here's the article that lists Provo as the most conservative and Detroit as the most liberal. I believe the results were compiled from voting records. Which I admit are flawed. Because you just can't assume because someone votes republican they are conservative...

http://www.kotv.com/main/home/stori...page=1&id=88310

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quote: Originally posted by Timexwatch P.S. on the Cathedrals.... The trippiest Cathedral that I've ever seen was the Sagrada Familia in Barcelona, Spain. It's like a cathedral on acid, especially with Gaudi's design and the bright, festive colors on the spires. It looks like, from some angles, like a gingerbread house would after a rainstorm.

Yea I just discovered that Cathedral the other day, actually as a result of this thread looking into St. John the Divine. I'd love to go visit this thing, the pics look cool:

	16-08-2005 03:38									#44
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It looks like a cake.

	16-08-2005 03:38									#45
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1.3% are Mormons huh? How much of that is children that were forced to be baptised into the religion at the age of 8 before they had any knowledge of the religion?

Mormon by choice or by force? Maybe the percentage would drop.

	16-08-2005 03:39									#46
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Playful, that goes for all religion.

	16-08-2005 03:43									#47
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Guess I'm just a discontented former Mormon

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I'm sure there's many more of you.

	16-08-2005 06:41									#49
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Jewish advisors? Seriously, whats the deal with American Episcopalians and Canterbury, and the king. I mean the whole point of the Act of Supremacy was that it was wrong for a foreign institution to control the spiritual life of England, right? That the bad thing about the Pope denying Henry his annulment was that it was done for political reasons, out of deference to Charles the V, and not for religious reasons, so that Englands future was held hostage to considerations of Italian politics, right? And legal precedent was established for the ancient autonomy of the English church, under local kings, going back to mythical 2nd century monarchs. So like, its 1783, and these dudes in Virginia, etc, have shaken off the king, said good bye to their departing loyalist cousins, and pledged loyalty to the Republic. And they decide to keep their church subordinate to a foreign clergyman, himself appointed by the very same foreign potentate theyd just waged war against. Kinda puts them right back, politically, where Henry was in 1529, huh? Now theologically, it would seem to make sense to go back to Rome, or something like that. Though I guess that wouldnt have made them popular with their Congregational neighbors, and would have been a problem for their married clergy, their low church members, etc. But still, it seems to be a huge contradiction.

Actually the Protestant Episcopal Church is not subservient to the Church of England. We have our own Presiding Bishop. The Anglican Communion is made up of a bunch of autonomous churches whose relaionship to Canterbury is similar to that of the Eastern churchs' relationship with the Metropolitan of Istanbul.
After the revolution the English hierarchy wouldn't even talk to the break away clergy in the US, so the first bishops of PECUSA were actually invested by a bishop in Scotland.