17-08-2005 08:41									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Riesstiu IV All those American soldiers are closet communists. When the time is right they will initiate a glorious red revolution since most soldiers come from "red" states and vote for "red" candidates. Then who will be the one who looks foolish?

But I come from a blue state. What does that make the revolution? Magenta?

	17-08-2005 08:47									#32
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Consider the Coast Guard. Only chance of combat is with drug runners. The Air Farce is top heavy, officer wise, so there isn't a lot of room for advancement, especially if you don't start as an officer.

There are lots of navy jobs that don't require you being at sea. I'm sure most of the people stationed at Pearl don't go to sea.

	17-08-2005 08:49									#33
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Consider the Coast Guard. Only chance of combat is with drug runners.

Unless you get deployed to the Middle East and find yourself doing Maritime interdiction or guarding the oil platforms....

	17-08-2005 08:51									#34
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Was wondering when Lonestar was gonna show up.

Dunno man, was looking at the Navy website and I'm not sure. Is there a need/interest in ppl with Psych Degrees in the Navy?

	17-08-2005 08:58									#35
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What the hell is the CG doing the ME? What part of our coast is in the ME?

	17-08-2005 11:05									#36
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Here's something from the Army website. I really want to be a clinical psychologist (psychiatrists, different paradigm)

quote: CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGY RESIDENCY PROGRAM (CPRP) This program offers philosophy and psychology students a year of valuable training at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., Tripler Army Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii, or Eisenhower Army Medical Center in Augusta, Georgia. To qualify, you must: * Have completed or be in your last year of a Doctor of Philosophy or Doctor of Psychology program in clinical or counseling psychology * Be eligible for an appointment as a commissioned Officer in the U.S Army * Be younger than 46.5 years of age Active Duty service obligation is 49 months, including the internship.

While I'm not in an PhD nor MA program of Psychology, I really think that this might be a good thing. Nevermind Army. I'm really preferring AF, but if they say they aren't interested...Army will do it for me, just because of Tripler. 49 months plus internship? I'd do double digits so long as it gets me to where I want to be.

	17-08-2005 11:18									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan But I come from a blue state. What does that make the revolution? Magenta?

Blue states support aquatic dictatorships.

	17-08-2005 12:42									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Donegeal What Spray said. If Hawaii has an Air Gaurd unit, try that first. You get the same experience with less risk. Not that there is much risk in the Air Force mind you, but whatever risk there is it will be less. And of all the Armed Forces, if I had it to do over again, I'd go with the Air Force (I was in the Army for 12 years). Just remember this quote from an Airman I knew "I'm not in the military, I'm in the Air Force!".

The problem with the Air Force is the people who join it. I served with all four services throughout my military service and got on well with everyone but the Air Force. There were decent individuals who varied from the norm mind you, but overall I found Air Force personnel self-absorbed, wimpy and poor team players. I had more friends in the Bundeswehr and the British Army than the USAF.

	17-08-2005 12:52									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar The USAF doesn't have Warrants and you have to make E7 in order ot get CWO in the navy.

are you sure about that? I thought I remember seeing some young warrant oficers. They may have been LDO's. Which stand for limited duty officers. That's another thing the navy has (not sure if other places have them)

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Well, then. You obviously haven't met my charming ass, have you? No matter what culture it is, once I learn the customs, I blend into any situation like a social chamileon.

Meeting with the recruiter later on today....update later on.

	18-08-2005 02:45									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan Was wondering when Lonestar was gonna show up.

I was on the first page, assclown!

	18-08-2005 02:46									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Dis are you sure about that? I thought I remember seeing some young warrant oficers. They may have been LDO's. Which stand for limited duty officers. That's another thing the navy has (not sure if other places have them)

I bet you a beer for the next San Diego meet.

* Lonestar sticks out hand.

	18-08-2005 02:47									#43
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara What the hell is the CG doing the ME? What part of our coast is in the ME?

Same reason why the CG was active in Vietnam, I suppose. The "Total Force" structure concept.

	18-08-2005 08:19									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar I was on the first page, assclown!

Damn.....shut up!


Well, I had my meeting with the recruiter today. He was totally cool, no pressure at all. Asked me a little bit about myself and lightly described some info about the A.F. and how getting placed in the A.F. is like. He also told me about the options I have as well as future prospects.

He DID ask for my college GPA (which wasn't the greatest) and said that it would be an uphill battle as well as OTS being very competitive as well.

Also, he described the difference between enlisted and officers a bit more (I still don't really get it 100%). He said that with my degree, I'd probably be enlisted at a higher rank but it wouldn't be the same as if I went straight to OTS.

Additionally, he said that I would pick 5 jobs from a list, and I would get one of those 5. Lastly, he said that with my degree I'd probably go into the medical field (which isn't that bad, actually that's really good).

He said that to help me out, I should probably pick up an ASVAB study guide which I just picked up today for review. So, he gave me his card and said to call him if I had any questions.

The whole process was maybe 30 minutes. Very short. Far shorter than I thought it was going to be.

	18-08-2005 08:40									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar I was on the first page, assclown!

You're still on the first page.

	18-08-2005 09:30									#46
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara What the hell is the CG doing the ME? What part of our coast is in the ME?

Since Nam the CG has been going over to war zone and during their part.

They should now be part of DOD and not HLS.

	18-08-2005 09:47									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan Damn.....shut up! Well, I had my meeting with the recruiter today. He was totally cool, no pressure at all. Asked me a little bit about myself and lightly described some info about the A.F. and how getting placed in the A.F. is like. He also told me about the options I have as well as future prospects. He DID ask for my college GPA (which wasn't the greatest) and said that it would be an uphill battle as well as OTS being very competitive as well. Also, he described the difference between enlisted and officers a bit more (I still don't really get it 100%). He said that with my degree, I'd probably be enlisted at a higher rank but it wouldn't be the same as if I went straight to OTS. Additionally, he said that I would pick 5 jobs from a list, and I would get one of those 5. Lastly, he said that with my degree I'd probably go into the medical field (which isn't that bad, actually that's really good). He said that to help me out, I should probably pick up an ASVAB study guide which I just picked up today for review. So, he gave me his card and said to call him if I had any questions. The whole process was maybe 30 minutes. Very short. Far shorter than I thought it was going to be.

From what you just posted, forget being an Office right away. He wants you to be an enlisted. His promotion is not clear. They JUST MIGHT MAKE YOU an E-2 upon finnishing Boot Camp. No biggie there because in the Navy, the top 10% of boots make E-2 out of boot. The rest come out as E-1s.

H3ll at this point check out the Army, Navy and CG.

All Marines are Infantry, so don't go there.

Now if you still want the AF, in boot you can request an interview for OCS. They will make you take a bunch of tests and you do good, they just might send you to OCS.

Good Luck

Joseph

	18-08-2005 09:53									#48
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This is funny with my asvab scores they wanted to put me into mechanical work were i scored the highest. Funny I amnot in the military and am a nurse
course i do have good mechanical skills i work on my own car

	18-08-2005 10:19									#49
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Drug runners are often better armed than terrorists and enemy navies.

	18-08-2005 11:47									#50
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I have to lose 10 pounds to make the maximum height/weight numbers. I told him that basically by the middle or ending of September, I'll know if I'm going. I just need to think about this more, get more info, and ask more questions. I have his card so he said I can call him up anytime.

And I gotta study the ASVAB more, the mathematical part I didn pretty bad on the first practice test.

	18-08-2005 12:16									#51
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I can't believe they make an ASVAB study guide! Hilarious. I also wonder if you can't get a better deal than one MOS from a list of 5. THat sounds dodgy to me. Insist on the one you want and if he doesn't guarantee it in writing tell him to get stuffed.

	19-08-2005 00:28									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar I bet you a beer for the next San Diego meet. * Lonestar sticks out hand.

I'll take your word for it.

	19-08-2005 00:34									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Joseph From what you just posted, forget being an Office right away. He wants you to be an enlisted. His promotion is not clear. They JUST MIGHT MAKE YOU an E-2 upon finnishing Boot Camp. No biggie there because in the Navy, the top 10% of boots make E-2 out of boot. The rest come out as E-1s. H3ll at this point check out the Army, Navy and CG. All Marines are Infantry, so don't go there. Now if you still want the AF, in boot you can request an interview for OCS. They will make you take a bunch of tests and you do good, they just might send you to OCS. Good Luck Joseph

not all marines are infantry now . I knew some guys on my helicopter carrier (LPH class- no longer active). They essentually do the same job navy mechanics do. But they fixed helicopters instead of jets. Well they fix jets as well, since the marines use harrier jump jets. There were none permanently station on my ship though, it was old, and wasn't designed to support extended harrier operations.

I'm sure the marines have some electronics fields as well. But I'm not sure if they could guarantee you those fields.

The marines are better now days. But a friend of mine joined the marines in the late 80's. He's half Thai (half american). But he took a lot of heat for being asian. Perhaps they thought he was vietnamese. He eventually got out on a hardship discharge, he was being harrassed too much. They forced him out. Marines were pretty racists back then. They probably still are. But I did see a couple asian marines on the USS Guam.

	19-08-2005 00:39									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander I can't believe they make an ASVAB study guide! Hilarious. I also wonder if you can't get a better deal than one MOS from a list of 5. THat sounds dodgy to me. Insist on the one you want and if he doesn't guarantee it in writing tell him to get stuffed.

I think there is one. I think I got an 89 without studying. Which is high enough to get you any job you want.

You could always join nuclear navy. . The problem there is there are 3 main fields. And you really can't choose which you go into. They ask you what you want. But I didn't get any of what I wanted. I didn't originally want to be a machinist mate (in the nuclear field they were called mechanical operators). But the good thing is MM's can go to ELT (engineering laboratory technician) which is what I did. I prefer that over being a regular MM.

	19-08-2005 00:41									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan Damn.....shut up! Well, I had my meeting with the recruiter today. He was totally cool, no pressure at all. Asked me a little bit about myself and lightly described some info about the A.F. and how getting placed in the A.F. is like. He also told me about the options I have as well as future prospects. He DID ask for my college GPA (which wasn't the greatest) and said that it would be an uphill battle as well as OTS being very competitive as well. Also, he described the difference between enlisted and officers a bit more (I still don't really get it 100%). He said that with my degree, I'd probably be enlisted at a higher rank but it wouldn't be the same as if I went straight to OTS. Additionally, he said that I would pick 5 jobs from a list, and I would get one of those 5. Lastly, he said that with my degree I'd probably go into the medical field (which isn't that bad, actually that's really good). He said that to help me out, I should probably pick up an ASVAB study guide which I just picked up today for review. So, he gave me his card and said to call him if I had any questions. The whole process was maybe 30 minutes. Very short. Far shorter than I thought it was going to be.

just be careful. They usually play like cool guys, and try to be your friend. But they are there to do a job after all. They'll try to push you into low manned fields. Just make sure they can gurantee you what you want, or you walk.

And be careful about that higher enlisted rank crap. They might be able to get you E-2 out of boot camp. But I heard it's a little harder to make rank in the airforce than in the navy. Depending on you field, you maybe can make E-3 out of boot camp. But until you make E-4 you aren't ****. And even in the navy E-4's aren't ****. You really don't get any respect until you make E-6. So keep that in mind

	19-08-2005 02:27									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Dis not all marines are infantry now .

He's refering to the "Every Marine a rifleman" mythos, and as artillary units are rotating through to Iraq without their guns, it might not matter what MOS he takes.

	19-08-2005 14:24									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar He's refering to the "Every Marine a rifleman" mythos, and as artillary units are rotating through to Iraq without their guns, it might not matter what MOS he takes.

Even the Air Force isn't completely exempt from this. Some of their transport units are on convoy duty in Iraq now. I imagine that the SPs also are deployed.