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I went Me/R instead of R/Me because I wanted access to the fast casting skill, so hopefully that should aleviate that problem somewhat.

Im up for a Poly party, my W has got up to ember light camp, and my monk is halfway through the jungle, but also has access to droknars. Im mostly just trying to level my monk and mesmer, but I cant stay away from pvp long enough to do it

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My Monkey is at Ember Light Camp, hasn't gotten any farther yet.

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Cool, me and my mates just got there yesterday. Will drop you a whisper if we manage to all get together at the same time again

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Yes, an Apolyton party would be great, if not a guild, but this will hardly be possible, as some (if not all) of you are guilded. I left my first guild after 2 days of membership and so far resisted all further invitations. So if you need a nuker/suicide bomber (specialized at PB nuking) for stuff up to the desert, just call me.

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I wish I could speak French/German fluently I guess it's time to practice my rusty French. :P

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I smell a 'poly party coming up.


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About that dead body picture here's the orginial. Funny, I thought folks who could identify some obscure coastline or lips without the rest of face could do this

As you can see, this is in D'Alessio Seaboard. When I first saw this, I thought 'Cool, a freak death' but later I realize it's pretty common. If you'll look at that compass picture in upper right corner, there are mobs outside of the town. If you get too close to the wall, they can attack you through that wall.

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Yes, an Apolyton party would be great, if not a guild, but this will hardly be possible, as some (if not all) of you are guilded. I left my first guild after 2 days of membership and so far resisted all further invitations. So if you need a nuker/suicide bomber (specialized at PB nuking) for stuff up to the desert, just call me.


Heck, I'd quit my guild for a 'Poly one. The thing is, as someone (snoopy I believe) said in the thread part one, we are all spreaded out across different servers. I don't see anything wrong with creating an American and European (and Korean?) 'Poly Guild. Perhaps same cape emblem but different color background?

Those guilds probably would be small but since many guilds do have their own forums we could 'encourage' people to join 'Poly for our "guild forum"

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Ralph, the trouble with being an E/Me is that so many mesmer hexes take 2 or 3 seconds to cast and only last 10 seconds or so. I found it so frustrating that my party were killing people before I could finish casting a spell. My E/Me concentrates on blowing stuff up now. Its nice to have all the extra energy though


True, and in PvE I wouldn't waste hexes for the normal yard trash, which is killed in fives seconds anyway. In these cases I would just Immolate or Fireball (if I have a chance to hit several), or use my explosive belts Inferno and Phoenix if I am in the thick of battle. But if I see our swordsman lonely slugging a boss while the rest of the party deals with minions or adds, throwing a Backfire or an Empathy now and then, while my other skills recharge, helps definitely.

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I just wish the party would not attack my target (the baddie caster) and go kill the other little thingies that are about. Look, he's got Backfire on him and -10 health degen. He'll die without a few sword pokes. Hell, I'm onto the next target already. The ablitity to dump a mass of hexes on a baddie in seconds, then move on, knowing he'll die without any further help, is the whole joy of being a mesmer. I guess the ineffeciency of seeing people wasting spells and attacks on a foe I already know is dead is what galls me.

My mes is currently tanking baddies in the Yak's Bend area since I have Droknar's armour I feel like god.

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I know what you mean about your party wasting time on enemys you know are already dead. Im going to be glad Ive got a mike and ts

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Edit: Piippolan Vaari is W/Mo, btw. I need to figure out a good secondary for Artesia, something to complement hydromancing... Mesmer perhaps?


I know this is going to reinforce my naysayer reputation but hydromancers suck for PvE.

Mesmer is fine, but most go for them for energy management and with the right skills you don't need it. The support mesmer attributes (domination/illusion) are not a good match with the elementalists primary role.

Monk is fine as a secondary as you can always get groups with a healer, and although E/Mo is not as good as Mo/x (don't let any deluded E/Mo players tell you otherwise) it is decent.

Best is straight ele though, whatever you pick. I'd just pick something you haven't used yet to unlock skills.

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Yesterday I spent the whole day trying to get good groups to go to the three mission locations for ascension. I tried it as usual in the English districts, but my luck was horrible. I got into a dozen groups trying, but hardly one of them lasted longer than 15-20 minutes. Either idiots who loudly shouted "GRP LOOKING FOR LVL 19+! NO NOOBS PLZ!" and then charge into the very first battle like a moron, dragging ten Hydras at the group at once. Or drama queens, who quit after their first or second death, screwing the whole group in the thick of battle. Or self proclaimed great leaders, who try to find Elona's near the Oasis and reply "shut up noob", when I dare to question their wisdom by asking "umm, isn't that the wrong direction?" Or people, who want to "run" everything. I mean, why bothering to play a game if I don't play it myself?!? I tried to advertize myself "E/Me20 LFG for the three mission sites. No running please." and all response I got was "LOL ROFL GOOD LUCK NOOB".

I wasted over six hours of my best Sunday primetime with these morons and after this I was fed up beyond belief. I switched district to German-1 and changed the language setup of my game. Great, that you can do that "on the fly", even while grouped! I found a group to Thirsty River within five minutes. Boy, that was the absolutely best group I was ever in. We reached the Thirsty River in about an hour of fighting. Not running even a single meter. We killed quickly and professional. No adds of mobs, everyone knew his job. No noobophobes. No runners. As for drama queens, I couldn't check this, because nobody died. Not a single death in the whole group over the whole way! And doing this, we even had the time to joke around, for instance about the pope, who had just left Germany, and have fun. Not a guild group btw, a normal pick up group. And of course we did mission and bonus in our first try.

After this I had new hope and kept trying. I switched between English and German. I found groups fighting to the two other sites withing 3 or 4 hours, both of them in the German districts. We did one more mission, albeit this time without bonus. Now only the mission in Elona's is left. I hope to do it today. And I will visit my native districts more frequently now.

As for my next character, I fooled around with quite some classes, but I think it will be a Mesmer. May be a Me/N, or a Me/Mo. Mesmers are cool. And mesmers are, at least from what I can see with my not even 2 weeks of game experiences, hard to play well, but can be very powerful. I like challenges.




We've all been there.......some days I feel like throwing my comp out of the window. In fact, after doing the game 3 times (and a few more builds tried out before I used the 4th slot for PvP character) I've largely given up grouping with humans. After playing with a highly organised guild team I just can't take pick up groups.

As for the Mesmer (oops I'm doing it again) they are a challenge to play well, but even if they are they just aren't that great for PvE. Illusion is nice versus melee, but 1 ele skill owns all in illusion, and domination is nice versus casters, but in PvE a CHARGE TEH MONKS strategy is just more effective, sadly, and 1 more ele skill owns all dmg dealing casters again.

Wait for PvP. There a good mesmer is a real asset. Same with rangers, the other class I have dissed in these threads for PvE.

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I know this is going to reinforce my naysayer reputation but hydromancers suck for PvE.


Hydro is, AFAIK, focused on attacking single targets, so I can see where you're coming from. I am probably going to go Pyro for the better part of the PvE part while unlocking hydro simultaniously (my 2ndary will not be a prof that needs more unlocking so I need not spend points on any more 2ndary skills than the ones I need).

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Monk is fine as a secondary as you can always get groups with a healer, and although E/Mo is not as good as Mo/x (don't let any deluded E/Mo players tell you otherwise) it is decent.


I am always very sceptical wrt. Ele healers, though I may have to find out myself. Someone tried to convince me that an E/Mo is better than a M/*

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Best is straight ele though, whatever you pick. I'd just pick something you haven't used yet to unlock skills.


W/Mo, Mo/Me, N/R... covers all other classes but E, I believe.

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Doc, Eles are just so sloooooooow. A Mesmer has killed the first target (PvE) while the Ele is still casting that HUGE LONG SPELL... :yawn: In terms of damage per second Mesmers are the best sprinters. And thanks to their excellent energy managment and no exhaustion they are the second-best long-distance runners (after necros who can literally cast forever)

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Hydro is, AFAIK, focused on attacking single targets, so I can see where you're coming from. I am probably going to go Pyro for the better part of the PvE part while unlocking hydro simultaniously (my 2ndary will not be a prof that needs more unlocking so I need not spend points on any more 2ndary skills than the ones I need).



No, air is single target dmg, water has support skills with some single target dmg. Most of the skills have slowing, which is next to useless for PvE. For other skills blurred vision isn't as good as ward v melee (but then not much is) and maelstrom is a poor man's domination skill. The elites suck too, though mist form is nice for some farming builds.

Water can be nice for PvP when you need good slowing skils, but it's just not that good for PvE.

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Doc, Eles are just so sloooooooow. A Mesmer has killed the first target (PvE) while the Ele is still casting that HUGE LONG SPELL... :yawn: In terms of damage per second Mesmers are the best sprinters. And thanks to their excellent energy managment and no exhaustion they are the second-best long-distance runners (after necros who can literally cast forever)




Mesmers have nice dps (I played one for a while, and I like them for PvP), but aoe is just king in PvE where bad guys wont move out of massive dmg spells, no matter how slow they are.

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I just learned (again in the German district), that you can leave Elona Reach (my nightmare for 2 days) not only with less than -50% death penalty, but actually with a +10% bonus, an elite skill (which rocks) and mission and bonus done. Ascended now; still not sure, what that means.

In a "certain battle" during that procedure I was PWND badly at the first try (which took me a bit off guard to be honest). The second time I respec'd to Domination and Backfired that scoundrel. It was a pleasure to see him going down in less than 10 seconds without having cast a single other spell and barely having taken a scratch myself.

Yep, next character is definitely a Mesmer. He already exists. And I will PvP with him.

I have a couple of golden drops in my bank, which I would like to sell, but I am not sure about the price I can take for it. Can you give me advice? The items are:

1) Zealous Sephis Axe of Shelter, 6-21 (8 Axe), 17% damage (<50%), +1 Energy on hit, -1 Energy regeneration, Armor +6 (vs physical)

2) Defender, Armor 16 (9 Strength), received damage -2 (while enchanted).

3) Frost Artifact, +11 Energy (9 Water), Armor +5 (vs physical) - this one I may keep myself

Also I have a Bowgrip of Enchanting (+11%) and a Sword Pommel of Shelter (Armor +5)

Any advice what that stuff is worth?

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Indeed, Mesmers seem to be making a comeback - I didn't really see that many of them a few weeks ago, but now they are all over the place.

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I just learned (again in the German district), that you can leave Elona Reach (my nightmare for 2 days) not only with less than -50% death penalty, but actually with a +10% bonus, an elite skill (which rocks) and mission and bonus done. Ascended now; still not sure, what that means.

In a "certain battle" during that procedure I was PWND badly at the first try (which took me a bit off guard to be honest). The second time I respec'd to Domination and Backfired that scoundrel. It was a pleasure to see him going down in less than 10 seconds without having cast a single other spell and barely having taken a scratch myself.

Yep, next character is definitely a Mesmer. He already exists. And I will PvP with him.

I have a couple of golden drops in my bank, which I would like to sell, but I am not sure about the price I can take for it. Can you give me advice? The items are:

1) Zealous Sephis Axe of Shelter, 6-21 (8 Axe), 17% damage (<50%), +1 Energy on hit, -1 Energy regeneration, Armor +6 (vs physical)

2) Defender, Armor 16 (9 Strength), received damage -2 (while enchanted).

3) Frost Artifact, +11 Energy (9 Water), Armor +5 (vs physical) - this one I may keep myself

Also I have a Bowgrip of Enchanting (+11%) and a Sword Pommel of Shelter (Armor +5)

Any advice what that stuff is worth?


Don't worry, Elona's is tough. Now I can do it 100% with a party who listens, but to start it was death death death.

The items:

1) Not max dmg, poor modifier, and not very good upgrades. The +6 might be worth a little (probably get 500 for it easy enough) but not enough to warrant the effort to sell unless you are really broke.

2) Easy to sell max armour strength shields (collector shields are tactics based), and -2 is nice. You should get 1500 for it at least, maybe more with the right buyer.

3) Worthless

Bowgrip/pommel: a few hundred, no more.

Sorry.

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Thanks for the info, I was aware that most of it is not top notch stuff, considering that I found it halfway through, somewhere in the jungle. The shield I found today, in Elona's.

The axe, bowgrip and pommel I will probably sell to the vendor, I'm not exactly broke and in the time I sell this, I can easily make twice or thrice the amount hunting. The artifact I will keep as starter equipment, should I respec to water, until I find something better.

We had some linkdead victims today, what's up with the game? I dropped out once, too, thank God in a city and not a group.

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Excecpt for the shield the gear is worthless unless you can sell it to noobs. People only seem to buy max damage and perfect mods. You'd be better off giving it away and making friends.

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imo for */Me - do not bother with those spells that have long casting periods. You're better off focusing on those with shorter casting period.

Also for */Mo - do not bother playing a healer unless you're playing a primary N, perhaps. I'd just focus more on self-healing, smiting, or protection depending on your style. But a party healer - you're wasting your time.

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Bonus pvp points this weekend then, we should get some Poly GvG on!

Its shame the bonus points are running friday to sunday, as monday is a public holiday here and I could have wasted all day on pvp

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as an E/Mo I make a good healer....

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Got to Droknar's Forge yesterday (not running - my first character I will develop without that) and completed the first two missions after it. By the way, in two groups both without human healers. I have to admit, that the duo Alesia + Lina did a great job, and the groups were competent, too.

Currently I am in Thunderhead Keep, which I intend to solve today, along with a visit of the outposts in South Shiverpeak. I found out, that I can work with henchmen again, their level 20 versions are sufficiently performant. So I will have fun crawling through without rushing and running, and take my time to enjoy the landscape and may be pick up some flowers .

I have three questions (here's the noob again...):

- Are the storage slots shared between your characters? I don't have a second one post Searing yet.

- I often see people in my group reporting "My health is x of y", or "My energy is x of y", or "I have ... (hex or condition) on me" or "I am dead" or "I am using skill x on y". While that is often annoying, I admit, that sometimes it has use. How do they do that? I didn't find it in the manual, I checked all options I could find, and I left/right/double-clicked everywhere on my UI without luck. Every idiot seems to know (and to abuse) that, I am the only idiot, who doesn't.

- Is there a place in the www, where I can find max damage/armor/etc for every type of equipment?

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Ummm... I forgot one question... Let's call it the bonus question:

- If you change your secondary profession in the desert quests, will you lose your skills? I mean, if I change to another secondary, and later back, will I have to obtain all skills again? Or is the change even permanent?

I'm thinking of changing my E/Me into E/something other. I want to fill three of my slots with combinations covering all professions, and the fourth would be the PvP only slot. And since I am tempted to play a primary Mesmer, my Elementalist has to lose this trait.

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-The Storage is indeed shared between all your Charrs
-Press Strg/Crtl and leftclick on: ~ Your Health
~ Lvl
~Mana
~enchantments, hexes, curses...
Or hold Strg/Crtl while targeting and Mark that Target with Space (Attack) "i am attacking.." or hold strg/crtl and 1-8 "I am using life-stealing on.."

-Yes dont have it handy right now though
Armor: http://www.gwonline.net/page.php?p=75
(only up to Droknar)
Axe: 6-28
Sword: 15-22
Hammer: 19-35
Staff 11-22?



Bonus:
You dont loose the Skills, neither is the Change permanent ( you just need to do the Quest for your original Secondary Class)
All points invested in secondary class get reset of course which would be handy if one would run out of Redistribution points.

Your new class of course allows you to do all the Class Quests you could never do with you Lvl 20 Char which .. is easy Xp

I changed from N/Mo to N/Me and back


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Strg-Umschalt-Leer will "target" a monster for the rest of the party without forcing an attack. Useful if your monk is calling targets :/

Double-click on another PC (either the toon or the name in the party bar) to autofollow them, or use Strg-Leer with the PC selected to follow them and announce this fact to the party. Useful if the party splits up and you want to make it clear who you're following.

Strg-Leer with an NPC selected to get "I'm talking to X!" which is excellent to remind people to speak to someone to complete a quest etc.

"My mana is x of x" is to point out that a rest is needed to regain mana. Warriors run ahead anyway

"My health is x of x" is to point out that they need healing. I hate it when people do that, I can see the red bars.

"I'm using X on X" is useful when a) casting res spells so no one else wastes mana trying to res the same person. b) when stacking Mesmer hexes on a target, since hexes of the same sort DON'T stack c) Laying traps so the party knows where to make the monsters run to. d) general info.

"I have x% Death Penalty" is to get sympathy. Hah.

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Thanks to both, very useful. Not that I will use it as often as others do, though .

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We need a way to automagically shout "Do not talk to X!" or "Do not do X!". Not that the Warriors will take any heed.

 
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