18-08-2005 23:53									#31
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Since there's more action going on upstairs than downstairs, the risk of triggering it by mistake is greater. Anyway, that's my first reaction. I'll try it.

	18-08-2005 23:57									#32
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo A personal gripe. Why can't we reorganize the Start menu in Windows XP? For example, I'd like to put all my games in a folder called "games". But AFAIK, its impossible.

...?

You can edit the Start Menu to your desiring, and you can also install the games to a Game folder.

Basic... Windows... usage.

	19-08-2005 00:01									#33
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Since there's more action going on upstairs than downstairs, the risk of triggering it by mistake is greater. Anyway, that's my first reaction. I'll try it.

Oh, no, I meant leave the taskbar on top of everything else, not at the top of the screen. I was talking about not enabling auto-hide.

	19-08-2005 00:11									#34
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo I'm sure the people who study GUIs measure these kinds of things.

Not like he did.

I've taken several human-computer interaction courses as part of my degree, including usability studies of programs and websites. The first thing is there's no scenario or usecase described, he just throws the number out there -- that smacks of bullshit.

	19-08-2005 00:16									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed ...? You can edit the Start Menu to your desiring, and you can also install the games to a Game folder. Basic... Windows... usage.

I used to do it in Windows 98. But now that I have Windows XP, I'm not sure how to do it. I came to the conclusion that you can only do it with the Windows classic theme. There's no way in hell I'm returning to that... But if it can be done, I'll find out about it.

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quote: Originally posted by nostromo A personal gripe. Why can't we reorganize the Start menu in Windows XP? For example, I'd like to put all my games in a folder called "games". But AFAIK, its impossible.

Say what?

I must be doing something wrong then, because I've been able to reorganize the start menu since Windows 95...

Here's a screenshot of how to do it in Windows 2000:

Start -> Settings -> Taskbar and Start Menu
click the Advanced tab, you see the attached screen.
Click the Advanced button...it opens an Explorer menu right to the Start Menu folder hierarchy. Delete/add/move all you wish.

You can also click Start, right click on Programs, then choose "explore" to do the same thing.

	19-08-2005 00:18									#37
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Or you can do what I said, and just click and drag the items around in the start menu.

	19-08-2005 00:19									#38
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo I used to do it in Windows 98. But now that I have Windows XP, I'm not sure how to do it. I came to the conclusion that you can only do it with the Windows classic theme. There's no way in hell I'm returning to that... But if it can be done, I'll find out about it.

Oh, you're talking about with the XP theme.

Anyone who uses something that fugly deserves what they get.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Oh, you're talking about with the XP theme. Anyone who uses something that fugly deserves what they get.

The Window Theme has absolutely nothing to do with organizing start menu items.

The problem here is user error.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Oh, no, I meant leave the taskbar on top of everything else, not at the top of the screen. I was talking about not enabling auto-hide.

I guess I could do that.

	19-08-2005 00:21									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Oh, you're talking about with the XP theme. Anyone who uses something that fugly deserves what they get.

XP Silver

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quote: XP Silver

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quote: Originally posted by Asher The Window Theme has absolutely nothing to do with organizing start menu items. The problem here is user error.

No, he's right, I tested it. When using the XP start menu you can't click and drag menu items like in the Classic start menu.

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quote: No, he's right, I tested it. When using the XP start menu you can't click and drag menu items like in the Classic start menu.

I just tried. In the "all programs" menu you can, but you have to click on the program or folder icon, not the label next to the icon.

	19-08-2005 01:06									#45
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Ah. In Classic you can click either.

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I just tried... I clicked on the name of the icon and dragged it... and it worked.

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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker No, he's right, I tested it. When using the XP start menu you can't click and drag menu items like in the Classic start menu.

There is a delay, you need to hold it down for a bit before you can move it.

	19-08-2005 01:18									#48
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You're right, Imran.

	19-08-2005 01:20									#49
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Huh. So it does.

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Asher, the Windows 2000 method you talked about is only available in the classic Start menu, not in the Standard XP Start menu. It was also the method I used in Windows 98. No wonder I was confused. I wonder why its not available in the Standard XP Start menu? Is there an easier way to do it in XP?

An example. I installed a game called Hoplites. It doesn't put an Hoplites folder in the Start menu, not even an icon. You have to do it yourself.

When I had Windows 98, I could easily create an Hoplites folder with in it a shortcut for the game and the manual. I simply used the method you described.

But now I don't know how to proceed. I opened the Hoplites folder in "My programs", right clicked on the Hoplites icon and Windows gave me the option to pin it on the Start menu. It doesn't give you the option to put it on the Start menu, without pining it.

I'll google it, maybe I'll find an answer

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	19-08-2005 01:47									#53
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo Asher, the Windows 2000 method you talked about is only available in the classic Start menu, not in the Standard XP Start menu. It was also the method I used in Windows 98. No wonder I was confused. I wonder why its not available in the Standard XP Start menu? I there an easier way to do it in XP? An example. I installed a game called Hoplites. It doesn't put an Hoplites folder in the Start menu, not even an icon. You have to do it yourself. When I had Windows 98, I could easily create an Hoplites folder with in it a shortcut for the game and the manual. I simply used the method you described. But now I don't know how to proceed. I opened the Hoplites folder in "My programs", right clicked on the Hoplites icon and Windows gave me the option to pin it on the Start menu. It doesn't give you the option to put it on the Start menu, without pining it. I'll google it, maybe I'll find an answer

I can help later tonight when I'm using Windows XP.

You can just edit the menu yourself if you'd like using Explorer.

Your personal (user-specific) start menu items are at:
C:\Documents and Settings\username\Start Menu

The global (all-users) start menu items are at:
C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Start Menu

	19-08-2005 01:58									#54
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I'll experiment with Explorer I think it'll do the trick.

	19-08-2005 02:13									#55
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Problem solved. Its actually faster with Explorer. But there should be a "create new folder" option when you right-click on an empty part of the Start Menu.

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Verto, you should maybe check out the last link I gave. It seems these add-ons really improve your Mac experience. I know Agathon was raving about Launchbar a while back.

http://www.asktog.com/columns/060MonsterMac.html