22-08-2005 19:38									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Admiral Compare Bush's second term success to that of a second term president with a same-party Congress in the past fifty years, and then we'll have a ballgame.

A same-party congress that he put in place, I might add. Remember that a president is supposed to lose ground in the Senate at each election. But Bush has gained ground every time.

I doubt the Democratic party can take much more of this "success" of theirs.

	22-08-2005 19:49									#32
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quote: Originally posted by DanS A same-party congress that he put in place, I might add.

I didn't realize Bush was president in 1994.


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	22-08-2005 19:51									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I'm sure the right wing of the GOP is having a fit over Chuck Hegel! The guy is a conservative, but he simply can't take Bush's lies anymore and he's not sitting back and shutting his mouth.

Why don't you GOP moderates get together with the Dem's moderates, and both take over the Reform Party? Leave the GOP and the Dems to their extreme wings.

	22-08-2005 19:52									#34
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Think how stupid Kerry has to feel every time his peers call Bush a Moron.

But at least he married money so he gets credit for that.

	22-08-2005 19:52									#35
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That's a good comparison with Clinton. Clinton couldn't keep his congress together. Bush has done better than keep his majority together -- he has gained ground.

	22-08-2005 19:53									#36
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quote: Originally posted by DanS A same-party congress that he put in place, I might add. Remember that a president is supposed to lose ground in the Senate at each election. But Bush has gained ground every time.

And yet it's taken him four years to get his "energy" bill passed, social secruity deform is dead in the water, and he's floundering around like a retard in a pond.

	22-08-2005 19:55									#37
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A floundering second-term president wouldn't be signing bill after bill in August. Certainly, I cannot recall a second-term president who has done so. Can you?

	22-08-2005 20:02									#38
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Not while he's on yet another five-week vacation, no.

	22-08-2005 20:07									#39
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So this is the question that it's important for you lot to answer. Who was the last second-term president who was able to sign into law a good portion of his second term agenda? FDR?

	22-08-2005 20:13									#40
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quote: Originally posted by DanS A same-party congress that he put in place, I might add.

I think Dan has moved on to cocaine . He seems to think that this is Bush's 4th term!

	22-08-2005 20:14									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I think Dan has moved on to cocaine . He seems to think that this is Bush's 4th term!

I'm thinking mushrooms

	23-08-2005 00:18									#42
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quote: He seems to think that this is Bush's 4th term!

The upcoming election will be the 4th national election in which Bush is involved. The 2-year elections (especially the Senate elections) are very important in testing the mettle of a president.

	23-08-2005 01:21									#43
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I thought DanS would be astute enough to recognize America didn't vote Republican in support of corporate-pork laden energy policies or any other piece of filth legistlation they've managed to pass.

They voted Republican because they don't like boys kissing boys... because 9-11 was being thrown into every discussion... and because Satan has given Karl Rove exceptional political skills.

If the Republicans laid out their true agenda in plain English to the American public, they'd go the way of the Whigs.

	23-08-2005 01:44									#44
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Ladies and gentlemen, we've hit 30s.

http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/

	23-08-2005 01:55									#45
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Of course that's the beauty of a 2nd term president. You really don't have to give crap about the polls.
We'll see how the REPUBS do during the mid term elections.

	23-08-2005 01:59									#46
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say a vast majority really are displeased with Bush, the house, and the senate. Does this mean a shift to the left, or a shift to an even more conservative right?

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quote: Do you: A) Cry yourself to sleep every night like a little girl. B) Slit your wrists C) Hunt down the people who ran your campaign and execute them, gangland-style D) All of the above E) Other

E) Other - stand tall and swing your branches about frantically like the robot shouting "danger, Will Robinson" until a strong breeze blows your way giving you new direction.

	23-08-2005 04:51									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Ninot or a shift to an even more conservative right?

god help us

	23-08-2005 05:32									#49
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quote: Originally posted by rah Of course that's the beauty of a 2nd term president. You really don't have to give crap about the polls. We'll see how the REPUBS do during the mid term elections.

History dictates that Bush will give up huge ground. On the other hand, Bush has bucked history in the last 2 election cycles.

	23-08-2005 06:17									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Ladies and gentlemen, we've hit 30s. http://americanresearchgroup.com/economy/

Ay Caramba! He's blown past Johnson and is heading toward Carter! I think the only other 2-term Prez to have a rating this low was Nixon...

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I find it interesting that the primary arguments against DanS are that he drinks Bush cool-aid and that he must be smoking mushrooms.

None of them address his arguments.

I find it especially interesting that Carter is listed among the two-term presidents.

	23-08-2005 06:47									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi I find it interesting that the primary arguments against DanS are that he drinks Bush cool-aid and that he must be smoking mushrooms. None of them address his arguments. I find it especially interesting that Carter is listed among the two-term presidents.

Carter isn't listed among two-term presidents. He's listed among presidents with low approval ratings. In a separate sentence, Nixon is listed as a two term president.

If you're going to criticize people's arguments, you probably shouldn't put your own poor reading comprehension skills on display in the very same post.

	23-08-2005 06:55									#53
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Why don't you GOP moderates get together with the Dem's moderates, and both take over the Reform Party? Leave the GOP and the Dems to their extreme wings.

A good wish, but it will never happen.

	23-08-2005 07:03									#54
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 I'd raise taxes, obviously. Because I'm a democrat, and that's just what we do.

No, we're fiscally responsible. Check out the last 25 years:

Reagan: First term: More deficit spending that all other U.S. Presidents, combined.
Reagan: Second term: Still larger deficits.
Bush the Elder: Unable to Balance Budget
Clinton: Balanced budget
Bush the Younger: Larger deficits than Reagan.

	23-08-2005 07:06									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler No, we're fiscally responsible. Check out the last 25 years: Reagan: First term: More deficit spending that all other U.S. Presidents, combined. Reagan: Second term: Still larger deficits. Bush the Elder: Unable to Balance Budget Clinton: Balanced budget Bush the Younger: Larger deficits than Reagan.

Clinton, only after the new Rep Congress made him do it.

	23-08-2005 07:10									#56
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quote: Originally posted by DanS A same-party congress that he put in place, I might add. Remember that a president is supposed to lose ground in the Senate at each election. But Bush has gained ground every time.

You do seem to forget (memory loss being a common side effect of heavy drinking/drug use) that Bush also managed to lose a same-party congress, without even having an election to blame for it -- by treating GOP moderates so badly that Jeffords bolted party. Yes, the man is truly a master politician.

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quote: Originally posted by Joseph Clinton, only after the new Rep Congress made him do it.

El wrongo. The vote that passed the deficit-reducing budget was 50-50 in the Senate, with the GOP refusing to support it. Gore cast the tie-breaking vote.

The notion that the GOP somehow enforced fiscal discipline is laughable, since the GOP congress hasn't been doing any such thing under a GOP president.

	23-08-2005 07:47									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi I find it interesting that the primary arguments against DanS are that he drinks Bush cool-aid and that he must be smoking mushrooms. None of them address his arguments.

oh silly BK...

you of all people should recognize this

it's like the "debates" against creationists

there really is no debate

one side has all the facts

the other side is full of ****

and plus, why should we waste our time formulating coherent arguments when

A: they're not necessary, because smart people already know we are right

B: we won't change the morons' minds

C: its more fun to question someone's state of mind when they believe in such ridiculous things