23-08-2005 16:17									#31
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now that's what i call a kiss of death

	23-08-2005 18:02									#32
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quote: We went from the most sympathized nation in the world immediately after 9/11 to the most hated right now.

It's only you think you were so sympathized.
Remember latin america during cold war, remember Vietnam, Korea?

I don't think such an agressive country can ever be "symphatized".

But for the other part of the point - I agree with the most except that attacking them was right.

You did exactly what OBL wanted you to do and now it's only a beginning not an end.
Radicalism is growing not only in the lands you invaded but in almost every other place where muslims are.


You could invade Mekkah now and break all hell loose..

	23-08-2005 19:14									#33
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quote: Originally posted by DanS The US has to show strength to these folks by finishing what we start.

We did finish what we started in '91. "The Job" as you put it, was to drive Iraq out of Kuwait. Nothing else. It's only reactionaries like you who get off on Americans committing murder abroad who invented the idea tha the U.S. had some job beyond what it set out to do.

	24-08-2005 12:10									#34
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quote: Originally posted by binTravkin It's only you think you were so sympathized. Remember latin america during cold war, remember Vietnam, Korea?

Well, there have been surveys taken during that time and the feelings toward the USA were overwhelmingly supportive.

The younger generation in Iran is actually very pro USA, and even in Vietnam there are generally good feelings toward Americans. We are actually the #1 trading partner with Vietnam, and they even want us to build a military base there. Between us and China as their main ally, they lean towards us. Very strange. Everyone there was very happy when Clinton lifted the economic sanctions, and life there has improved dramatically since then. Though it still has a long way to go.

But the most telling sign is that the feelings towards the USA among our closest allies -- UK and Germany, to name 2, have gone downhill dramatically.

	24-08-2005 15:02									#35
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quote: Well, there have been surveys taken during that time and the feelings toward the USA were overwhelmingly supportive.

Dunno about surveys, but it's only logical that a power which enforces it's policies on neighbours like Latin America is not liked by people.

During Clinton's govenrment, yes, relations were boosted, but before that they were not too much better as they're now and talking about feelings among your closest allies - I think that you can count most of the Europe in this cathegory and what's the most important, even if politicians are keeping the diplomatic line (power = respect), the people do not think so mildly.

In most European countries governments who supported Iraq war are going to have quite a loss of votes in next elections, unless they have reversed their decisions or made something else important.