28-08-2005 00:12									#31
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Firefly rulez! Sava droolz! Scifi-Western!

Course I didn't get to see or record it last night. At least I might get BSG if the cable comes back on anytime soon.

	28-08-2005 00:17									#32
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Lemme change this into a general complaint about Fox's treatment of shows. Firefly, whether you like it or not, was a pretty interesting concept. It get 11 episodes, which is far more than Fox seemingly gives other intriguing shows.

I've been watching "Wonderfalls" again on LOGO. What a wonderful show! But it was canned after 4 epsiodes! WTF?

And don't get me started on "Andy Richter Controls the Universe"!

	28-08-2005 00:20									#33
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Imran is correct. He forgot to mention Arrested Development.

	28-08-2005 00:23									#34
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Doofus! Arrested Development is still on the air!

	28-08-2005 00:24									#35
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Yes, but they didn't renew the show for next season.

	28-08-2005 00:25									#36
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Yes they did.

	28-08-2005 00:26									#37
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http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/p...d=20050516fox03

quote: FOX DOES MORE TIME WITH "ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT," ORDERING A FULL THIRD SEASON Released by FOX FOX DOES MORE TIME WITH "ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT," ORDERING A FULL THIRD SEASON FOX gets ARRESTED again. The network has ordered a third full season of the Emmy Award-winning comedy series ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT, it was announced today by Peter Liguori, President, Entertainment for Fox Broadcasting Company.

	28-08-2005 00:26									#38
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Sava lost all high ground when the mentioned the Stargate shows as being among the best. Ugh. What drivel.

	28-08-2005 00:28									#39
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And on Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrested_Development_(TV_series)

quote: Season 3 (2005-2006) No episodes have aired yet. The season premiere is set to air on Monday September 19, 2005 on Fox

	28-08-2005 00:39									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yes they did.

Guess they changed their mind.

	28-08-2005 00:39									#41
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	28-08-2005 00:42									#42
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Guess they changed their mind.

They weren't thinking of not renewing the show for a 3rd season. People just got all paniced when Fox only ordered 18 episodes for Season 2 (because it was bad ratings for sweeps). During the whole time Fox said don't worry about it, but people got all up in arms.

I don't think Fox changed their minds at all. They know the value of having an Emmy winning show on their lineup. It's better advertising for them as a company.

Though they have moved it to Mondays, IIRC.

	28-08-2005 02:26									#43
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Sava's criticisms are perfectly reasonable but somehow I just loved Firefly.

Sometimes sci fi or fantasy worlds can be built around concepts that make no sense whatsoever but somehow it still works out to something that really entertains me. I'd say star wars likewise made almost no sense on multiple levels but somehow those movies rank among my favorite sci fi movies.

Oddly I find other some other movies with horrible 'science' like Armageddon totally unbearable as a result of these sorts of bad applications of science (or the complete disregard of the same.)

	28-08-2005 02:28									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Sava lost all high ground when the mentioned the Stargate shows as being among the best. Ugh. What drivel.

I've been watching the ends of stargate episodes on Friday just before the start of BG. It has indeed looked like a crappy show but the end of this weeks episode seemed interesting. maybe I'll intentionally watch the whole thing next week to see how it turns out.

	28-08-2005 02:32									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Sava yes... the show where they can jump into hyperspace or whatever, but yet, still have to have a spinning space station for gravity.

Why not use a spinning space station? Anyway in B5 the earthlings didn't invent the space jumping tech, they gained access to the hyperspace or whatever through gate systems pioneered by older space faring civs who didn't need to spin their structurtes in space to have artifical gravity but also didn't see fit to transmit the particulars of that tech to upstarts like the humans (well not until near the end of the series anyway).

	28-08-2005 03:04									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Lemme change this into a general complaint about Fox's treatment of shows.

Did Fox have Family Guy? What about Futurama?

	28-08-2005 03:22									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Sava it's fiction...

........which makes 24 perfect as a source for Bill O'Reilly. Reality is soooooo messy.

quote: and you do realize that Kiefer Sutherland is like a socialist right?

Marlon Brando once said that he didn't have the moral fiber to refuse to take Hollywood's money. Evidently he and Sutherland have something to share.

	28-08-2005 03:26									#49
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I thought some of the concepts on Firefly that Sava mentioned were indeed pretty dorky but for some reason I couldn't stop watching it.

	28-08-2005 04:07									#50
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That's because it's superficial criticism. The characters, plot and story are all very compelling, so I personally don't give a rat's ass about quibbles over the technology of the guns used. Whedon is all about interesting, character-driven stories, and that's what Firefly is.

	28-08-2005 04:34									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov That's because it's superficial criticism. The characters, plot and story are all very compelling, so I personally don't give a rat's ass about quibbles over the technology of the guns used. Whedon is all about interesting, character-driven stories, and that's what Firefly is.

Agreed. Whedon

quote: Originally posted by Geronimo Sometimes sci fi or fantasy worlds can be built around concepts that make no sense whatsoever but somehow it still works out to something that really entertains me.

That's exactly the case with Buffy, IMO. Dorky concept, brilliant execution.

	28-08-2005 04:46									#52
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	28-08-2005 05:43									#53
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character-driven stories is the strong suit?

all the characters except for Adam Baldwin, suck...

there's the captain... a walking cliche... no sense of humor... loyal to a fault

the preacher... who I guess is some sort of uber-spy... YAWN

River... the idiot savant who, judging from the movie, is some kind of kung fu master...

the doctor... a wuss

second in command... not hot enough

a high priced hooker... most attractive female on the show, but an 8/10 at best

a 20 year old girl is the master engineer.... ya okay

who else?

oh yeah... the guy that looks like giovani ribisi... and he's not even in most episodes.

You pro-firefly dorks have no taste.

enjoy your crappy "sci-fi western"

Boris: And you dare criticize Stargate... the 2nd best show ever!

	28-08-2005 08:33									#54
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Stargate and all its spin off are far worse as sci fi that Firefly.

The writing on Firefly was very good, and the effects are nice. The concept is not one I would go with, but in general it works in that given universe, which is not THAT advanced anyways. I don;t much care for Whedon, Firefly is the only show of his I liked enough to watch much.

I have never understood why so many people like Stargate. The characters are not that compelling, the bad guys are wimps, and the show is far too episodic.

Never have gotten into the 4400 at all, but Battlestar Galactica does blow every other show on Sci Fi away.

And B5 still rules the roost story and character wise.

	28-08-2005 08:41									#55
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Stargate is like a test for good taste.

It isn't good in the sense that EVERYONE will think OMFG THIS IS AWESOME. It's genius in the sense that smart people will find it hilarious and intriguing.

I mean, COME ON...

you got MacGyver... plus the whole concept from the movie Stargate... add in the somewhat butch, yet moderately hot Amanda Tapping, the probably gay and uber-buff Christopher (indeed) Judge, and Michael Shanks playing a better Daniel Jackson than James Spader... and you got yourself a formula for AWESOME.

And with Richard Dean Anderson gone, the show hasn't missed a beat with the dude from Farscape. Plus, Lexa Doig is hot.

How can you even compare this to Babylon 5?

I like B5... but it's not even close to touching Stargate's greatness.

	28-08-2005 08:44									#56
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See, its called having different tastes. I simply don;t care much for Stargate, the characters, nor the overall plot.

Plus, I generally don't judge shows by the attractiveness of the actors. I don;t care how hot someone is, if their lines suck, I won't watch.

Personally I like the writing on firefly. I agree, Jane is a funny character, but I think all the characters save Book were done very well. As for River, of course someone who had thier brain openned up and experimented on would be odd. Seems to figure, actually.

	28-08-2005 19:07									#57
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GePap and Boris:

all i got to say is 9 seasons...

	28-08-2005 19:25									#58
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Stargate is boring.

	28-08-2005 19:27									#59
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I liked ST NG, but it has become old as well. I recently watched StarGate SG1 and this really sucks a lot. You can watch it and it's entertaining 50% of the time, but then there are the stupid characters with their real-life problems like fathers dying and this one ****s with that and what not... who wants to see that?
Probably they try to make them be more human when they show their personal problems, but that's just boring to watch and soooo badly done (extremely bad). And then there are the plot twists, that are just like: WTF?

I also followed Space 2063 a while ago. It had nice effects and battles, but as always it totally fails on the character side and that is where Star Trek, despite its age, still shines.

	28-08-2005 20:01									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer GePap and Boris: all i got to say is 9 seasons...

How many seasons has Charmed had now?

Syndication and popularity mean little.

Stargate is simply a low-talent rip-off of ST-TNG (which wasn't all that great itself, anyway). It has simplistic situations, inane attempts at humor, and some of the worst scripts imaginable. The dialogue I've heard coming out of that show is wince-worthy.

Anderson saved the show from being total crap by giving a good performance, but that's because he ignored the script and ad-libbed a great deal of the time. And when he did deliver the lines he had to, there was a sarcasm there (subtext: "I can't believe I'm saying this ****.")