04-09-2005 23:47									#31
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quote: As an agonistic, I know there is a god. It's the definition which is open to discussion

Well, that's a position, but it is a theist position, and not at all agnostic. You just haven't decided on the details.

	04-09-2005 23:47									#32
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Then you aren't an agnostic.

See? so cought up in rhetoric that you can't read past the first six words of an argument.

	04-09-2005 23:50									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Most of the other half believe in some deities as well. And there's no link between intellectual capacities and faith.

No, my point was that it doesn't matter what half the world believes. A billion people believe in Hinduism. Are you now going to assert that because 1/6th of humanity believes in Hinduism, it is therefore valid?

	04-09-2005 23:51									#34
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd See? so cought up in rhetoric that you can't read past the first six words of an argument.

No, I had already made my point and there was no point arguing with the rest, especially since you were being a dick.

	05-09-2005 00:10									#35
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It's not arrogance when it's well-based.

Atheism

	05-09-2005 00:17									#36
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In Soviet Russia, Food Commission feeds YOU!

Nvm...

	05-09-2005 00:21									#37
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara No, my point was that it doesn't matter what half the world believes. A billion people believe in Hinduism. Are you now going to assert that because 1/6th of humanity believes in Hinduism, it is therefore valid?

No, but if <50% of the world was Hinduist, I wouldn't be sure.

	05-09-2005 00:22									#38
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Agnositics: Reasonable people. Athiests: Arrogant / fanatical ******. It's like the difference between protestants and roman-catholics.

Not really, no.

	05-09-2005 00:23									#39
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	05-09-2005 00:28									#40
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quote: In Soviet Russia, Food Commission feeds YOU! Nvm...

Damn, must be a different Soviet Union. We certainly didn't have any "food committees".

	05-09-2005 01:03									#41
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hm, in communistic Poland not only there were no food comitees, but also there was no food.

(perhaps because there were no food comitees?)

	05-09-2005 01:05									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Origenes, a very important and popular (though finally found guilty of heresy long long time after his death) Christian thinker claimed that all that were not saved shall be in one of the next cycles - untill all shall unite with God. And I think He was not the only one to claim that eventually, all shall be saved.

MacDonald (who heavily influenced CS Lewis) thought this (or something similiar)

as do a lot of other people, including possibly one of my freinds..

JM

	05-09-2005 01:05									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson No, but if <50% of the world was Hinduist, I wouldn't be sure.

It's sad you have such a weak opion that you let it be swayed by what others think, rather than what reason and evidence tell you.

	05-09-2005 01:06									#44
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Man, it's lucky you didn't grow up in Poland, then. You wouldn't have made it.

	05-09-2005 01:08									#45
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I think for most people the only logical way to be is agnostic...

(note that you can be an agnostic theist.. or any other such things..)

to be something other then agnostic takes faith, which I think is entirely reasonable to have (and realistically everyone has faith in something..)

Jon Miller

	05-09-2005 01:09									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Az Man, it's lucky you didn't grow up in Poland, then. You wouldn't have made it.

I always wondered about that. How did Poles and Soviets get so damn fat when there was no food.

	05-09-2005 01:10									#47
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Polytheism > Monotheism because having one god is boring.

	05-09-2005 01:11									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Jon Miller MacDonald (who heavily influenced CS Lewis) thought this (or something similiar) as do a lot of other people, including possibly one of my freinds.. JM

Because it is a very nice theory, though a bit dangerous:
"uh, I don't have to be good in this life, there's plenty of time for me to change"

quote: It's sad you have such a weak opion that you let it be swayed by what others think, rather than what reason and evidence tell you.

I believe others have reasons

quote: Man, it's lucky you didn't grow up in Poland, then. You wouldn't have made it.

I've been eating worms and smuggling stuff from USSR

	05-09-2005 01:14									#49
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No, really, at some point all was going for export, so there was nothing left in shops but vinegar. If something was brought into shop, it soon disappeared.

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	05-09-2005 01:15									#50
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quote: I've been eating worms and smuggling stuff from USSR

That's why I didn't have anything to eat, huh?

YOU BASTARD, YOU SMUGGLED ALL OUR FOOD AWAY.

	05-09-2005 01:16									#51
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Atheism/agnosticism debates are even more pointless than cap/com trollfests.

My latest tactic is calling myself a "nontheist". Hasn't made anyone make bizarre conclusions about my beliefs or lack thereof yet, but I suppose that's just a matter of time ...

	05-09-2005 01:46									#52
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nontheist and atheist are the same thing.

	05-09-2005 01:46									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson hm, in communistic Poland not only there were no food comitees, but also there was no food. (perhaps because there were no food comitees?)

	05-09-2005 01:55									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Az nontheist and atheist are the same thing.

Nope; the one begins with non-, the other with a-.

Atheism is commonly taken to indicate an active disbelief in God. Nontheism is meant to indicate merely a lack of theism.

I'm not particularly optimistic of it working, tho. Many people see unable to accept that someone might assume such a position.

	05-09-2005 02:15									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Heresson No, really, at some point all was going for export, so there was nothing left in shops but vinegar. If something was brought into shop, it soon disappeared.

How did those ladies get so fat?

	05-09-2005 02:20									#56
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they're not fat. They have coats.

	05-09-2005 02:28									#59
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and btw, it looks funny:

quote: Help the victims of Katrina U.S. OUT OF IRAQ NOW!

	05-09-2005 02:33									#60
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Well, one could say that it would help, but it's really apalling mismanagement of resources by FEMA/whoever else is responsible.