08-09-2005 05:13									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed Verto has taken up Mr. Nice Guy's mantle.

How so? This is just a thread about two new products, not an "Expose on the Imminent Destruction of Microsoft".

	08-09-2005 05:32									#32
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All the Harry Potter books out on audio book are 99 hours, 10 minutes...anyone have an idea as to how many GB that is?

	08-09-2005 05:41									#33
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Nano? See, they should have gone to milli and micro first - given them more room for naming manoevre. They're going to have to use pico, femto and ato next, and those sizes are just taking the piss really

	08-09-2005 05:42									#34
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I'm pretty sure it's more than 4 GB.

Same order of magnitude, though. My optimistic approximation (a six minute song takes 3 MB) give 3 GB for 100 hours.

	08-09-2005 05:44									#35
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I'm too lazy to actually look at the songs on my computer to see the average size/length ratio.

	08-09-2005 05:46									#36
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Isn't it usually about a meg a minute?

	08-09-2005 05:48									#37
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optimistic

It may be that without instrumentals it takes less space; I dunno how the audio compression actually works (hell, I'm not sure how raw audio files actually work).

	08-09-2005 05:51									#38
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Something like that, yeah.

	08-09-2005 05:52									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It's a niche market.

I disagree here, but I can only speak for the Dutch market since I don't know how phones are sold internationally.

Over here, a mobile phone is often offered as a gift with the subscription. This is seen by the operator as a token of appreciation for choosing its service.

Currently, the Sony Ericsson W800i walkman-phone is the hot phone that's being offered with subscriptions, and before that, it was the Nokia 6230, also with mp3-playback functionality.

In sum, there may not be a visible, conscious need for it, but when marketed aggressively, music-playback functionality can arouse a certain "latent need" or realization of additional benefits.

	08-09-2005 06:00									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Kinjiru The phone thingy will be huge. The reason is simple, teens. My kids already download music clips as ringtones, and they are very annoyed that they can only get 10-sec clips. They have been wanting to get whole songs for quite a while. 27 million teens with phones already + money to burn + the ability to set a unique song with each person in their contact list = $ billions to Apple. Ah, but that formula isn't quite right. Apple will only have the market to themselves for a short while. Once another manufacturer brings out something similar that is also more easily hackable and tradeable (i.e. not using iTMS), Apple will quickly lose the teen market. But that just means that the parents will be the ones stuck with the old phones. And they will HATE the music selections already loaded up by their kids, so they will replace a couple tunes with something more age-appropriate. So.... 27 million teens + money to burn + link song to contact + say 4 months market capture = $millions for Apple plus maybe 10 million phones go back to the parents + 2 songs 'reloaded' each = another $20 million for Apple plus maybe 500,000 of those parental phones will see extended use and get the parents hooked on this whole downloading music thing, so that's maybe another $1 million monthly... Not a bad little business plan... Game over.

There is an interesting tension here, though. In observing the scary universe of my teenage daughter and her friends, it seems to me that both devices (like everythying else in teenworld) are used to cement identity -- but in opposite ways; their phones are icons of individuality, whereas their mp3 players are icons of conformity (i.e., have an iPod or be shunned). It will be interesting to see how a convergence of the 2 devices plays out on that terrain.

	08-09-2005 06:03									#41
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IME, phones are icons of individuality only inasmuch as "having superficial individuality" is what conformists do nowadays.

My phone is in my boot compartment, and used pretty much only to call my parents, as they insist that I always have a cell phone with me while driving.

	08-09-2005 06:10									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker IME, phones are icons of individuality only inasmuch as "having superficial individuality" is what conformists do nowadays.

As I think I made clear, we're talking about teenagers here...

	08-09-2005 06:10									#43
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What the hell is a boot compartment?

Trunk?

Glovebox?

	08-09-2005 06:13									#44
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Glove compartment

	08-09-2005 06:14									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly As I think I made clear, we're talking about teenagers here...

The point being that they don't actually have any more to do with individuality than an iPod does.

	08-09-2005 06:16									#46
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boot compartment?

who the hell calls it that?

what the hell kinda car can you fit boots in there?

ARE YOU NUTZ?!?!

	08-09-2005 06:19									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker The point being that they don't actually have any more to do with individuality than an iPod does.

I wouldn't disagree. But if a clear grasp of material reality had anything to do with consumer choices, the whole Western economy would probably tank.

My point was that, at least in my daughter's school, kids seem to chose their cell phones based on which ones their friends don't have, but their mp3 players based on which ones their friends do have. Convergence is going to make their heads explode -- not that that's necessarily a bad thing.

	08-09-2005 06:45									#48
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quote: Ah, but that formula isn't quite right. Apple will only have the market to themselves for a short while. Once another manufacturer brings out something similar that is also more easily hackable and tradeable (i.e. not using iTMS), Apple will quickly lose the teen market.

People have been saying this about the iPod for nearly four years now. I have no idea whether this phone will take off, but Apple basically owns online music now and has done since the start.

	08-09-2005 08:25									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon People have been saying this about the iPod for nearly four years now. I have no idea whether this phone will take off, but Apple basically owns online music now and has done since the start.

Can't wait til RIAA forces $1.49 songs on iTMS.

	08-09-2005 10:20									#50
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The Nano is the flash Mini? Nice, but I'm a bit underwhelmed by the battery life. Given that they got rid of the HD, I expected more battery life. I also expected a removable battery this time around... They'll never learn, I guess. And why the hell did they stick a color screen on that thing? Doesn't color screens gobble power? Unless its OLED.

	08-09-2005 10:28									#51
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It's probably OLED.

	08-09-2005 10:36									#52
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Here's a weird Sony player. Cool!

http://www.sony-europe.com/PageView.do?section=en_EU_Press&pressrelease=1123689906542&site=odw_en_EU&page=PressReleaseDetail

quote: Well, well, well — Sony is officially rebirthing the WALKMAN in this device, which’ll be rolling out in Q4 in sizes of 6GB (NW-A1000) and 20GB (NW-A3000). It features an organic EL display that makes the readout appear fairly seamless with the rest of the player. On the software side it’s got a bunch of bells and whistles to help automagically DJ for you: ‘My Favorite Shuffle’ will randomly play the 100 most listened to songs, ‘Time Machine Shuffle’ picks a year at random and plays all the songs from that timeframe, and other functions are available to search and play songs by a number of parameters such as rating, genre, artist, recently transferred, etc. The 20GB version will be available in violet and silver, with the 6GB coming in pink and blue, and all with matching headphones. As far as codec support goes, don’t expect anything revolutionary — just MP3 and of course, ever-lovin’ ATRAC3plus. Still and all, we must profess excitement at the prospect of this thing.

	08-09-2005 10:38									#53
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Didn't work. Here's the Sony, again. Interface looks crappy.

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	08-09-2005 10:39									#54
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Another pic of the Nano. Looking good!

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	08-09-2005 10:41									#55
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It looks off, like the the new iMacs look off.

There's too much empty white space with nothing on it. It looks stretched vertically.

	08-09-2005 11:02									#56
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quote: [quote]It's probably OLED.

I just checked on the Apple website, its a LCD With a black and white LCD, that baby could last 20-25 hours, or maybe more. I'm starting to think that it may be a bit too small, especially for people with big hands, like me.

	08-09-2005 13:54									#57
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More crap I have no interest in owning. I'd own a "cell" phone if the signal quality was at least as good as a land line and it was cheap and was only a phone (for simplicity's sake) and it was large enough that it was easy to use, but phones seem to be going in the opposite directions. Smaller, a lot more complicated, more expensive and poor signal quality.

A portable music player seems like a good idea for some people, but I'm rarely somewhere where I have to rely on one. I can simply rock out with speakers and cheap cd players the vast majority of the time.

Digital cameras are great, and I'll probably get a new one within a year or so. I want one with a lot of capability, not the crappy ones that are replacing the instamatic, and never the crappy ones you are now forced to purchase to complicate and expensify your cell phone.

	09-09-2005 00:19									#58
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WTF? Look where the headphone jack is...

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	09-09-2005 00:25									#59
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quote: The Nano is the flash Mini?

Flash? Its still an HD player, IIRC.

And what's so wrong with the headphone jack being on the bottom? It's not like that is a major move.

	09-09-2005 00:36									#60
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The Nano is a flash player, Samsung is supplying the 2 and 4GB flash chips.