12-09-2005 19:21									#31
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Hey, I'm all for effective government, like most of the rest of the US has.

It was less that than the recognition of class and the rich screwing the poor thing, comrade.

	12-09-2005 19:22									#32
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shareholders and THE LAW.

	12-09-2005 19:33									#33
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Hey, listen. In most areas of the US, there is some recognition by the monied leaders of the community that part of the process of making their community great and part of their wealth is determined by helping people move from the poor to the middle class. Part of this process requires effective government, especially effective police. Capitalists can do this like champs -- just look at Carnegie.

I don't sense that positive vibe emanating from New Orleans. I don't think it's a coincidence that the city has stagnated over the last several decades.

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But you see, if the whole process depends on the rich being generous, something is screwed up.

	12-09-2005 20:07									#35
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I see nothing wrong with people being able to hire their own additional security so long as that security force acts within the law.

	12-09-2005 20:18									#36
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So now you get the law enforcement you can afford.

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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH I see nothing wrong with people being able to hire their own additional security so long as that security force acts within the law.

I agree, but that doesn't excuse the city government for not providing at least a minimum amount of security for everyone those 3 or 4 days.

	12-09-2005 20:21									#38
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Shawnmmcc

We already have it in the USA and in most other countries. We have gated communities and personal bodyguards. In essense this is not different.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS I agree, but that doesn't excuse the city government for not providing at least a minimum amount of security for everyone those 3 or 4 days.

I agree, but thats a different issue.

	12-09-2005 20:26									#40
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How long until there is a Looting game a la Grand Theft Auto?

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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Eins, zwei and the land would already be drei!

I love that pun!

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yes but these are uncivilized folks.. = no nazi jokes.

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at nazi joke

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quote: Originally posted by Japher How long until there is a Looting game a la Grand Theft Auto?

I thought GTA was all about looting?

	12-09-2005 21:30									#45
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quote: Originally posted by shawnmmcc So now you get the law enforcement you can afford.

I don't think that this is new to the area.

	13-09-2005 01:52									#46
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Mercinaries have no place in a modern democracy since they are accountable only to thier shareholders, not the people.

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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Eins, zwei and the land would already be drei!

This sounds much, much, much funnier if you imagine Dr. Zoidberg's voice saying it.

quote: Originally posted by shawnmmc And people think I'm f*cking paranoid or something.

It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

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Relying on mercenaries is never a sign of strength, especially in today's world.

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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Relying on mercenaries is never a sign of strength, especially in today's world.

What are you talking about? All the strongmen and warlords with power in sub-saharan Africa employ some of the best mercenaries!

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@ drei land

	13-09-2005 02:40									#51
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yes and mind you it's not a reference to.. tredje riken either Just dry.

Of course using mercs is not sign of power. Only weak ones have to rely on mercs. I think that's pretty obvious?

	13-09-2005 02:41									#52
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quote: Originally posted by shawnmmcc So now you get the law enforcement you can afford.

That is the case pretty much everywhere

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara quote: Originally posted by Patroklos I was saying their paranoid conspiratory nature would lead them to assume this is a plot to take over, or to persoanly oppress them (its alwasy about them) .Conservatives would too, if it was a Democrat in power. Private companies are beholden to noone but their shareholders.

and to whomever hires them. If these folks have been hired to do private security, thats one thing . . . I just don't understand why there would not be enough regular police and military to provide the regular policing function

Hasn't policing gotten somewhat easy in the sense that anyone roaming around can be investigated.

	13-09-2005 03:52									#54
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The private security people that I know are definitely better trained than the police or the army. The ones that guard factories or stores at night get only a few hours training. The ones who are hired for high risk jobs like Iraq probably get more training, but I doubt more than a few weeks. Many of them are probably ex-military though.