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Drake Tungsten is offline Drake Tungsten
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I wasn't talking about the Kiwis. They're about a reliable as the French, which is funny considering how much they hate the French.

edit: And they are your future!!!

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NYE, though we didn't have to independently declare war (as we didn't yet have an independent recognised foreign policy), it would have been a neat question as to what would have happened had Parliament disavowed the British DoW

My feeling is that the G-G would have refused to sign it and we would be a Republic today.

Neverless, the fact is that ultimate control of any contribution to be made to the war effort rested in the hands of the GoC. There would have been no way to force contribution from us had we decided to withold it. Look at the conscription debate, for instance...


Ahh, no. The PM would have been strung up on a lamp post, by his own MPs. This was a different age, KH. The identity of Canada was firmly wed to England in many, many minds.

The conscription debate came after casualty lists from early '16 and after started rolling in. Those casualty lists gave us our first taste of costs to go along with jingoism.

Trying to stand in the way of Canada going to war in '14 would have been trying to hold up a freight train with a match stick.

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We do know what loyalty is, afterall.


Yep. The rest of the Anglosphere is going to miss you guys.


Thanks. Let us know the next time you intend to show up to a war in Europe less than a few years after us.

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I wasn't talking about the Kiwis. They're about a reliable as the French, which is funny considering how much they hate the French.

edit: And they are your future!!!


What are you banging on about?

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I thought we were supposed to be trolling...

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Thanks. Let us know the next time you intend to show up to a war in Europe less than a few years after us.


Well, if we had shown up any earlier there wouldn't have been any fighting for you guys to do.

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I thought we were supposed to be trolling...


I'm just trying to piss you and KH off.

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Excellent.

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Ahh, no. The PM would have been strung up on a lamp post, by his own MPs. This was a different age, KH. The identity of Canada was firmly wed to England in many, many minds.


Uhh...my supposition was that there was an act passed by the Commons.

Nobody's doubting that the eventual outcome was never in doubt; the real question is where the sovereignty over foreign affairs lay.

De jure in Westminster, de facto in Ottawa

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I wasn't talking about the Kiwis. They're about a reliable as the French, which is funny considering how much they hate the French.

edit: And they are your future!!!




I have no idea.

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hell what a waste of a trhead if i ever saw one. didnt read any of the worms' replies that infest this part of cyberspace masturbating between themselves


but hell BEBRO, you could have answered me, you can usually see past my flamboyance. and if it was too touchy a subject just say who you think will win. even though in some 24horus we'll all know.

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The Canadian who killed him.



Brad Pitt?

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Usually I support the left wing, but in the case of these German elections, I hope CDU-CSU will win.

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Enough pointless Canadian banter. Be worthy of our victory over the Americans in the War of 1812!

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Germany's new Left Party has momentum going into Sunday's vote

By Andreas Tzortzis | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor

BERLIN – Helmut Geppe is the kind of guy embattled Chancellor Gerhard Schröder and front-running conservative challenger Angela Merkel should be clamoring to please before Sunday's general election.
The father of two lost his job as a machinist in east Berlin two years ago when his company folded because of cheaper competition from Eastern Europe. He has tried - unsuccessfully - to get a new job, even taking classes to qualify himself for other positions.

"People are scared about the future," says Mr. Geppe. "Politicians are telling us 'It will get harder and harder.' But they don't have any answers anymore."

So Geppe has decided to look for answers elsewhere. The search led him to a lively gathering held in August by the four-month-old Left Party, a curious mix of former East German socialists and disgruntled West German unionists that has shocked Germany's political establishment by rising to third place in the polls behind Mr. Schröder's Social Democratic Party (SPD) and Ms. Merkel's conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU). Geppe liked what he saw, and the shifting loyalties of voters like him have put the major parties on notice.

Part populist, part socialist, the Left Party currently commands between 7 and 9 percent of the vote, ahead of the conservatives' possible coalition partner, the pro-business Free Democratic Party (FDP) and Schröder's junior coalition partner, the Green Party. Should they retain their lead, they could force the CDU and the SPD into a "grand coalition," with Merkel as chancellor and Schröder's party as her junior partner - a prospect experts predict would halt the CDU's planned pro-market reforms because of political infighting.

Nothing would please the Left more.

Fundamentally, the Left Party is offering a radically different answer to the question of how Germany should reform its lethargic economy to remain competitive and grow jobs. Until now, the major parties have been telling Germans that cuts to the country's bloated social welfare system, tax reform, and a more flexible labor market are crucial to reviving the "sick man of Europe."

The Left Party, on the other hand, invokes terms like "social economic justice" to comfort voters like Geppe by suggesting alternatives to liberal reform.

"There need to be fundamental changes in the system," says Bernd Ihme, a Left Party official. "We don't want big business to think that it's not responsible for the well-being of the people."

The Left is strongest in the economically depressed East, where current polls show them commanding around 30 percent of the vote, several points ahead of both the CDU and SPD. The party's push for further tax hikes on the rich in order to finance employment programs, the education system, and the continuation of Germany's welfare system resonates with a region that lived under a socialist economy for more than 40 years.

"They have collected protest votes, and the votes of people who normally don't vote," says Uwe Andersen, a political science professor at Ruhr University.

Close to 5 million people, roughly 11.5 percent of the population, are unemployed in Germany, a figure that has moved steadily upward since Schröder won re-election in 2002. The modest reforms he has introduced have so far failed to deliver on the promise of new jobs. Widespread discontent pushed him in May to call for new elections, one year ahead of schedule.

Jens Höhne who started his own business with help from a self-employment program launched by Schröder's government, says he isn't sure if Schröder will get his vote again.

"The job market needs to be a lot more flexible," he says. "But there should also be some social justice in the economy."

The rest of the country is also struggling to figure out how much to change, a process not helped by the campaigns of the SPD and CDU, which don't want to alienate voters by appearing too radical in their reform concepts. The SPD has even moderated their pro-reform platform by quietly imitating some Left Party points, like the call for a minimum wage.

"[The SPD] are taking steps away from the Agenda 2010 and inserting symbolic, leftist elements," says Mr. Andersen. "If you look at it that way, the Left Party has already succeeded."

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Brad Pitt?


Many Canadian men do resemble Brad Pitt.

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Enough pointless Canadian banter. Be worthy of our victory over the Americans in the War of 1812!



There is no such thing as pointless when you canuck a thread.

Tsk, tsk.

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Which Germany, East or West?

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The question in Germany is not: Who's going to win, but: Who can form a majority? Because obviously the winner is going to be the right wing CDU/CSU.

BUT, the CDU/CSU does not have any partners except for the liberal FDP and as latest opinion poll's show they're failing a majority by a tight margin... okay opinion polls... But, if they fail then there is the current SPD/Green coaliation, which I think will have no chance to gain a majority and to form a government they'd have to team up with the newly emerged Left party.
Schröder OTOH said he'll never reign with the left party and the left party's chief Lafontaine said he'll never go into government. Lots of trouble on that side as well.

The third option (that probably nobody wants) is a grand coalition between the CDU/CSU and the SPD. Which surely has enough votes, but they've got really a lot of work sorting out the differences and working on a coalition program.

However the outcome is, I guess only a right wing coalition would provide political stability. I don't believe Schröder is able to handle a coalition of the whole left spectrum. Especially the left party goes quite a radical course.

Btw, with the SPD losing I don't know if Schröder stays active. After all he called for elections because his party base did not have full trust in him anymore.

Anyway, the outcome will be pretty interesting.

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From Le Monde Diplomatique: http://mondediplo.com/2005/09/02germany

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I think we've found our winner.

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It looks like the rather ugly looking chick will win. Still, it sounds like she'll finally get some real employment regulation liberalizations going so in the long run that will help the employment situation. In the short run it will mean lots of excess people will get laid off.

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THe Hasselhof/Bismarck Coalition will PIZAWN all competition

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HASSELHOF UBER ALLES!!!!!!!

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Schroeder as chancellor makes Carter look like an effective president. I don't know too much about Merkel, but I don't think she could be a worse chancellor than Schroeder has been.

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From Le Monde Diplomatique: http://mondediplo.com/2005/09/02germany

nice article. globalisation is the force which divided the german left. without schroeder the spd would never had any chance to govern in germany the recent decade (imho).

I think Schroeder was not that bad. Actually I am proud of his resistance with respect to the lies we heard from the Bush-administration.

the right wing cried opportunism.

but thats plain BS. we have still no troops in iraq.

and is his agenda 2010 opportunism???

he is convinced that it is the right step (and so am i). Sadly, Lafontaine and unionists live in a dreamworld.

nevertheless. I am surprised that the CDU has such a bad result today. at least it seems so at moment.

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The results currently are:
SPD (Schröder): 33.2 - 33.7 %
CDU/CSU (Merkl): 35.7 - 36.6 %
FDP (Westerwelle): 10.3 - 10.5 %
Greens (Fischer): 8.1 - 8.3 %
Left Party (Lafontaine): ~8.1 %

These are probably to change still, I really doubt the CDU/CSU got so little votes.

As of now the situation is difficult, it seems the righter parties are unable to gather a majority, which will surely please Schröder as he's still in the race.

Part of why the CDU/CSU got that little votes is said to be their confusing fiscal policies (Merkl argumented with a Flat Tax of 25% that got heavily (and successfully) attacked by Schröder in the head-head). Some days before the election parts of the black party then turned round and suggested something different it was a chaos.
Another reason is said that the CDU/CSU is not caring enough for employees and that they are likely to open the gap between rich and poor.
I don't know however how that should explain the big success for the FDP.

 
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