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DaRanger
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Canyon, TX. USA
Aug 2000
time: 05:13
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Stockpiling in the Building Cue?
Bug?
I am afraid I am unfamilier with either at this point :-)! Would someone care to fill me in on this one before we all start using it?
I would be MOST appreciative.
Any other bug's I should know about? I do not know of any as I spend little time online researching SMAC or SMAX, I just play like a fool :-)!
Thanks and Sorry again for the delay's with the turns, there will be no more. This is my first PBEM SMAX game so I'm learning as I go. Don't hesitate to yell at me if I mess something up as that's the only way I shall learn.
Regards,
DaRanger
Lone Protector of the Grove
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Misotu
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Leamington Spa, England
Dec 1999
time: 05:13
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Hi DaRanger!
The stockpiling thing is as follows (hope I get this right!)
The game does not calculate energy correctly under the following circumstances:
a) When you build a base facility, and there is nothing after it in the queue
b) When you build a unit, and place "stockpile energy" in the queue after it.
Under these two circumstances, you receive extra energy. It used to be the equivalent of half the number of minerals generated by the base - I think - but I believe that one of the patches changed this so it's now a bit less.
Now the reason why this is a bummer is that there are people like me who like to put stockpile energy in the queue after a unit, because otherwise your base just keeps building the same unit over and over. With the stockpile entry, I can ensure that I don't slip up and build more units than I want.
Apolyton addresses this situation by forbidding people to put stockpile energy in the queue after a unit 
ACOL addresses it by informing everyone about the bug, and then letting them play the game the way they want.
The latter is my preference, not just because it mirrors how I play anyway, but also because I get a little tired of being forbidden to use facilities in the game simply because something doesn't work quite right or people have arbitrarily decided that they don't like the way it works (design workshop upgrades, for example. classic case). After all, there are loads of things in SMAC/X that don't work quite right 
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XWaste
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of passionpop
Aug 2000
time: 05:13
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I've always put a fac after a unit in a build queue to stop repeat building, rather than stockpile. But I don't really care what other people do...it can't make that much of a difference can it (am ready to eat my words)
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DaRanger
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Canyon, TX. USA
Aug 2000
time: 05:13
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DaBug
Cool, thanks for the info.
I guess I am lazy, Unless I am at war I let the
gov. do most of the building. I will run production
on a base for the first 25 - 40 years to get what I
need for that particular base and then I turn it over
to DaGov. He's alway's been reliable for me and it
seems that later in the game I am REALLY glad he
took care of things!
DaRanger,
Sole Proprietor
DaRangers Deep Space
Spice and Fungus Grove
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gopher
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I eat my own poop
Dec 1999
time: 00:13
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turn sent to XWaste
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XWaste
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of passionpop
Aug 2000
time: 05:13
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2182 to jschwab
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Googlie
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Commanding Officer, CRYPTEIA
Apr 1999
time: 21:13
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Fine with me too, so concesus is we'll let it stay.
To elaborate on Misotu's explanatiion:
When you hurry build with just enough credits, when added to that base's next turn mineral production, with another unit/facility in the build queue, it starts with an empty minerals box, as it should. SAfter all, that next turn's minerals has already been spoken for.
With Stockpile Energy in the queue, the game gives you not only the hurried unit, but also the energy value of that next turn's minerals.
Same thing when not hurrying. Any carried over minerals would normally be lost after the first row's value (default at ten minerals) to inefficiency when the same unit is continuing to be built. Pop stockpile energy into the queue and the full unused mineral value gets converted to energy reserves.
But the hurry build is the big winner.
Hugely significant with a large minerals producing base.
Note that it's only a problem when hurrying a unit, including colony pods, probes, crawlers, etc. Facilities work just right (because the game itself pauses after a facilities build)
So if you are producing, say, crawlers at one every two turns, by hurry building every turn you are "banking" every second turn's minerals into energy. Worth thousands of energy credits over a game's lifetime.
Googlie
[This message has been edited by Googlie (edited October 29, 2000).]
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gopher
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I eat my own poop
Dec 1999
time: 00:13
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Turn to XWaste
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XWaste
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of passionpop
Aug 2000
time: 05:13
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2183 to jschwab
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jschwab
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2184 sent to Misotu
JSchwab
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gopher
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I eat my own poop
Dec 1999
time: 00:13
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MY2184 to Angels
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XWaste
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of passionpop
Aug 2000
time: 05:13
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2184 to the Consciousness
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jschwab
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2184 sent to Misotu
JSchwab
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DaRanger
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Canyon, TX. USA
Aug 2000
time: 05:13
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2185 To DaPirates....
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28-10-2000 22:13
Over the length of a game, if I use stockpile energy I will make a load more energy than you for free, I'm afraid. Maybe not the decider, sure. But it will certainly make a difference over time ...
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