21-11-2000 01:18									#31
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Depp: Actually I LOVED Homm3!!! I still love it! The music is awesome and it is quite good balanced!
Homm3 however was the first game i had from the homm series. And I think its the best and most polished and most balanced.
I tried Homm2 but I didnt like it. First of because of the ugly graphics and then because in Homm3 you could do lots more than in Homm2

homm3 ROCKS!!!!
Especially the music and sound stuff! i would rate it a 110% (in the sound section).

The sound is soooo cool! When you enter a inferno city for example. Man it killed me!
This game really killed me.
You know, I just stay there in this city for hours and listen to the music (which repeats of course).
And then change to a dungeon city and listen to the theme there.
The game rocks the game is great the game is awesome!!!!!
Never has there been a game where the sound part was so awesome.

Battles are also fun.
I also did create a small scenario. I play it all the time. Actually its the only map I play.
I created a small map and put loads of resources on it. Above surface the land is divided with a mountain where the red player gets the above land and the blue the beneath. Then there are 2 underground tunnels which connect to the underground where the brown player waits. The brown player has the whole underground for himself. Though that doesnt mean he is the strongest, the prob is that he can be attacked from 2 sides!
And that you cant meet your enemies that soon I have of course installed some special monsters

Most of the stuff is random so the game is different every time you play it. It can be that you have an avantage but it can also be that you have a disadvantage.
Only the AI seems to have some probs with it. Especially the start is real hard! You have to fight some very difficult battles!
Oh and as I dont like to have to much heros the map is designed to play best with only one hero (or 2).

Of course there is a holy grail too and this is by far the biggest advantage you may get! The chance are 25% that you get the grail. 25% that the other player on the surface gets the grail and 50% that the sous-terrain player gets the grail.

Though it is managable to make it without the grail.

My brother (a real expert) made it in less than 70 days I think (on impossible difficulty level). He got rank Arch Angel (the highest rank I believe).

If anybody wants the map drop me a mail: atahualpa@gmx.at

Ata

	21-11-2000 02:51									#33
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Who stole whos idea? Brian Reynols, in an article i read by him, somewhere, described where the idea came from. Empire, a simplistic game of cities producing a few types of units land, air, sea. Then there came all sorts of BBS onlin games that had plague units, nukes, a ton of units, research. So they, Brian Reynolds and Sid, comercialized the idea polished it up, added several ideas, tech tree, timeline, like Avalon Hill,...then you get Civ I. Without Brian's input, I'm holding my breath hoping Civ III will be a leap forward. Its kind of like Talon Soft taking credit for thier battleground series when SPI's Terrible Swift Sword had almost the exact same system down to the CRT.

	21-11-2000 09:20									#34
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Hmmm, I think Civ2/SMAC are the best games in the series.. Oh btw, I liked SMAC's graphics better than CtPs (not lying... 3d map was just AMAZING). And I think the story aspect of SMAC made it the best game out there, but there is just something about playing history, which is why Civ2 is tied with it.

	21-11-2000 14:05									#35
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Harlequin,

An example:
If you remember the whole RTS mania strated with the Westwood Dune II. Yeah, I know Westwood is in the ring recently with the Red Alert 2, but nobady can argue i.e. AOK or Starcraft are better RTS games than the C&C serial.
Do you seriously think without the Dune II we have today AOK or Starcraft? I don't think so.
Do you think only Westwood have right to develop RTS games? Do you refuse to play a good RTS just because it is not Westwood product? (Provided you bother to play any RTS game.)

I read somewhere: Only seven original stories exist (known by ancient civilizations many thousand years ago) , everything else is only a remade of the originals.

I hope Sid will check out CTP2, and he will use the good ideas for his new masterpiece. I am sure we (players) just profiting, if there is competition between the two companies. I also hope, CTP3 will be better than Civ3. (IMO CTP2 is better than Civ2.)

Blade


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	21-11-2000 20:51									#36
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true you didn't call anyone stupid. I apologize for that. It's just that your opinion is quite strong and comes off a little condescending.

	21-11-2000 23:19									#37
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Empire, god how I played that game. It was amazing fun and you could pay it hotseat as 3 players.

You had cities which could only build units, but you had air/navy/army in the game so it was strategical as well.
The civilization board game and later the advanced Civ computer/board game has little incommon with Sid Meiers Civ really. bot it's still fun.

I hope Sid makes a very different Civ 3, since Civ 2 was dull compared to when you first played Civ 1, the real masterpiece. Actually, when I go back to the classics it's Civ 1 i turn too.

	22-11-2000 21:38									#41
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Actually, Activision bought the rights to the Civ name for one game. And there was some legal wrangling over that too... but still, Activision can claim the "Civilization" name legally. Note that since they only had one game to use it on, they used that game to launch their own Civ franchise "Call to Power", and CTP2 does not include Civ in its title.

More importantly, since much of Civ2 and most of SMAC were Brian Reynolds' work, and he won't be involved in Civ3, how good can it be, Harlequin?

	23-11-2000 23:31									#47
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After reading the Daily Radar Review im pretty underwhelmed. seems more like civ 2.5 then anything really ground breaking. They semmed more negative then positive about it. But will see what pc mag has to say about it before i make any final decesion.

Harle

	28-11-2000 06:43									#51
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i have never played ctp 1 or 2 and I grew up on civ 1 + 2 and i'm a great sid fan even got gettysberg to see what he's like designing RTS games, I didn't get ctp because i thought it was just another takeoff like TOT and it's only now that i'm realising maybe i was wrong with ctp maybe i should have gotten it because now i'm reading all this on CTP 2 and all the reviews and just look at any screenshot or forum and you can find at least 10 things different between civ and ctp in each one of them.I am personally drooling at the mouth waiting for this game to get here and i hadn't even heard there was a ctp2 coming soon until 2 weeks ago.

I agree that sid is the greatest game designer of all time and even if he is your god it doesn't mean you can't buy any other game just because his name isn't on the box.

Just try out CTP2 and when civ3 comes out buy that too.
CTP2 is probably increasing civ3 sales cause now more people are into TBS games and can't wait for the next to come out(civ3)...

Long message i'd better stop.

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	28-11-2000 07:32									#52
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In reality i would think sid should be happy to see what ctp2 is like. This way if he is smart, he can play the game and see what all the flaws are and send his grunts to Apolyton to see what the GAMING community thinks of the game, not those idiotic reviews by RTS gamers. This allows him to (hopefully) make a better game out of civ3. No one stole anyones ideas, and although ctp was a bit of a flop, i hear from many people who think ctp2 is what ctp was supposed to be. It sucks to get burned by games, but download a warez of it and if you don't like it, delete it, and if you do like it delete it and BUY it.

There is nothing wrong with fresh blood to a series like civ. Civ2 is a great game for 1996. A civ upgrade like civ2 from the origional will not be satisfactory this time around in 2001 or 2002 , whenever they release the damm game. I say enjoy ctp2 for what it is, another vision of civilization by accomplished designers, and quit trying to compare apples and oranges, it doesnt' work.

Difference is a good thing for the consumer, don't be afraid of change !!

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	28-11-2000 08:54									#53
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this, this whole damn topic, this whole winding never ending debate, i think, is THE best thing about Civilization, regardless of what manifestation of it you may be playing.

	29-11-2000 01:12									#57
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i think you're biased towards player reviews