28-03-2001 01:37									#62
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O.K., since this is a little tough, I will give you a hint: It was not an exploror who said it, and it was in a letter. Now who would want to send the Queen such a letter, gloating about success...? (It is not a shared quote Waku, sorry for confusing you. ).

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	28-03-2001 03:55									#63
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Gabriel Sanchez, Treasurer of Aragon???


I know, I know, I'm throwing names away

	28-03-2001 04:01									#64
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No!

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	28-03-2001 04:40									#65
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Juan Rodríguez de Fonseca? He was president of the comission for the "Indian affairs", and later he was "Patriarca de las Indias" (Patriarch of the Western Indias, I guess).

	28-03-2001 04:57									#66
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Remember the tone of the gloating. The person who said it could not be harmed by the queen.

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	28-03-2001 19:05									#67
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The Pope? The Holy Roman Emperor?
It seems like religion is invlolved somehow...
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	29-03-2001 10:09									#68
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Las Casas?????

	29-03-2001 00:27									#69
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Looks like this one was to difficult. One more BIG hint: I never said that the letter writer was from Spain, but he is an Iberian.

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	31-03-2001 18:06									#70
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It seems no one wants to get a "nope " as an answer .

I don't mind, I have to know who the "hades" said that

Manuel O Venturoso of Portugal??????

(I suspect you're gonna do it again cpoulos )

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	06-04-2001 14:26									#71
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Now that things are working here, I can answer in the proper thread. Yes, it is Manuel of Portugal who is the letter writer. He was bragging about Vasco De Gama reaching India, while Spain had found only a few islands with primatives on them. Your up Waku. Oh, do you have MGE Waku? If so, I will send you my saves so you can follow the 'Modern era' game from Germany's point of view.

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	08-04-2001 02:53									#72
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Reading the latest posts to this thread a very intersting quote came to my mind. A bit exaggerated maybe, but very revealing of the Spanish religious fanaticism:

The victory at Lepanto was the greatest occassion that past or present ages have seen, or that future ones can hope to see

	08-04-2001 22:17									#74
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Oh my!!! Does it mean you ALREADY know the answer???

	09-04-2001 02:22									#76
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You should try to get it while it's still around, that way you could play along with us. Do you have the scenario? We can describe what is happening if you have that frame of reference.

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	13-04-2001 04:49									#78
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I knew you knew,the MDCS made it obvious, hence the smiley. I think I was waiting for a new quote from you

	13-04-2001 14:28									#79
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I knew you knew I knew....

Here's a quote I'm seriously thinking to use as my sig. But I'm not sure if it can be proposed here because I don't know who said it since it is written somewhere. The question would be where is it written and why.

HINC·TOTI·PAX·INSONAT·ORBI

Yes it's Latin. Some of you could think what a mindtwisted guy am I but it's really easy specially to some regular posters of this forum.

	14-04-2001 01:26									#80
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My free translation to Spanish: Desde aquí la paz resuena en el mundo.

My (even more) free traslation to English: "From here the peace sounds to the world".

I know it has a lot to do with a certain event, but I'll let kIndal be the one to unveil it.

	14-04-2001 11:11									#81
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I think I know to

	14-04-2001 17:36									#82
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Oh, sorry... I forgot we had two experts on the issue here... shame on me!

	19-04-2001 22:44									#83
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Ok here it is:
The Peace of Westphalia
probably written in the treaty itself or something...

	19-04-2001 22:58									#84
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Right!

Inscription on a commemorative coin from 1648

HINC·TOTI·PAX·INSONAT·ORBI
"From here the peace sounds round the whole world"
http://www.muenster.de/stadt/museum/friede-en.html

Your turn Henrik

	23-04-2001 14:51									#85
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Heu Henrik, your turn!

	23-04-2001 18:07									#86
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I know, I know.
I just have to find something...
I will probably post in a day or two...

	02-05-2001 17:58									#87
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While Henrik thinks on a quote, I found another interesting one. This is a bit difficult:


"If we were to see Spain broken down as a result of a civil or international war, we would receive it with unsurpassable celebration. On the contrary, if we were to see Spain prospering, becoming greater day by day, we would preceive it as the worst possible of disgraces".

	04-05-2001 02:48									#88
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As it seems I'm not going to find anything using my search engines I'll try by analyzing carefully the quote:

-Who can take advantage of a broken Spain: France, England (Portugal?, USA?)...
-civil or international war, prospering: I think these expressions are relatively new, on the other hand there are not references to God... I would say it's dated from 18th cent.
-It seems to me it expresses a hope so I will say it was said before 1898 (even before 1802).

To sum up, I think it was said by a French Revolution Ideologist, Robespierre?

	04-05-2001 12:55									#89
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Excellent logical thinking! You're in the right path. But it was not a Frenchman

(It's a XIX c. quote, I think you made a mistake with the century, although you got the years right)

	13-05-2001 03:05									#90
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Teddy Roosevelt?

Hints please!