26-07-2001 00:31									#241
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small raging, 7 civs.

If you are having a hard time, here is a cheat that may get you over the hump: try playing on the Earth map. It is easier since you will have intution about the map.

	26-07-2001 00:47									#242
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Where is the fun in such levels of ICS. It just becomes an exercise in tedious micromanagement...

	26-07-2001 00:52									#243
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But that appeals to the naval mind!

	26-07-2001 01:18									#244
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Where is the fun in such levels of ICS. It just becomes an exercise in tedious micromanagement...

I never micromanage in the sense of moving workers around.

	26-07-2001 01:20									#245
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quote: Originally posted by GP If you get behind, Pyramids is slightly better than HG.

Now that is an interesting version of ICS
You need the Gardens to control happiness - the Pyramids encourages growth which most of the time you are trying to halt - at least in the early years. Bigger cities produce more unhappy people.

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	26-07-2001 01:35									#246
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits Now that is an interesting version of ICS You need the Gardens to control happiness - the Pyramids encourages growth which most of the time you are trying to halt - at least in the early years. Bigger cities produce more unhappy people. --------------------- SG(2)

No the point of ICS IS growth. Pyramids doubles your growth rate. HG are quite nice. But once you have Mike's they are not nearly so key. And there are ways to deal with instant blackheads (temples, entertainers or Mike's). If one of the two wonders (Pyramids or HG) is going to be gotten by the AI and kept til the end of the game. I'd rather the AI takes HG.

	26-07-2001 01:53									#247
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There are many different modifications on the ICS theme. For me hardcore ICS involves no temples - or city improvements except a few barracks.

Mike's is wonderful but you are researching Polytheism and Monotheism (and building 8 caravans) which slows up the progress to Democracy and SoL. After you go Commie/Fundy - then you can afford growth. Find out who owns the Pyramids and pay 'em a call.

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	26-07-2001 01:59									#248
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SG{3}
*coughs really loud so all in forum turn around and look @ her*
am I mistaken or has my thread yet again been thread jacked and is the topic of discussion really civ?
mon dieu! this must be stopped!
well thanks to my having to sign a pledge to say that,
i will not purchase or consume alcohol, purchase offensive weapons, chew chewing gum, or be alone @ any time Paris was kinda pants...
well until the way home where we were given alcohol by the teachers because a big wine merchant had a thing on so that any one who bought any thing got alcohol strawberries and chocolate truffles... it was nice of them to make us break our word... i care really i do...
I will go view the poll, you had better not be voting for scouse gitlet...

	26-07-2001 02:23									#249
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Important rule of thumb for school trips:

You can do anything so long as you don't get caught.

	26-07-2001 02:29									#250
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits i will not purchase or consume alcohol, purchase offensive weapons, chew chewing gum, or be alone @ any time

LOL, I can think of many school trips where the teachers will be wishing they came up with that one Actually, they probably did, but I NEVER SIGNED ANYTHING!!

I don't get Ics. I just end up with 40-50 tiny crappy cities that revolt every turn, and cant build anything decent.

	26-07-2001 03:00									#251
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits There are many different modifications on the ICS theme. For me hardcore ICS involves no temples - or city improvements except a few barracks. Mike's is wonderful but you are researching Polytheism and Monotheism (and building 8 caravans) which slows up the progress to Democracy and SoL. After you go Commie/Fundy - then you can afford growth. Find out who owns the Pyramids and pay 'em a call. --------------- SG(2)

Actually my last game I did not need any temples as I got Mikes fairly quickly. The instant redheads are not an issue...just instant blackheads. not sure when they start.

And barracks? The only reason I make one is to keep my advisor happy. That's what STWA is for.

	26-07-2001 03:42									#252
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quote: I can think of many school trips where the teachers will be wishing they came up with that one

I went to France when I was 14. A couple of guys on the trip (not friends of mine) drank a bottle of Pernod between them. Despite them sticking their heads in the fountain outside the hotel continuously, the teachers didn't catch on until they started calling the waiter a "French poof". After that, they were sent up to bed with water, and were totally knocked out for about ten hours asleep... completely unwakeable.

We then went back to our rooms and devoured the beer and cider we'd bought... not really enough to get drunk, however.

	26-07-2001 04:04									#253
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Oh how we all love France. The only problem is the number of french people there. Otherwise it might be a nice place

	26-07-2001 12:39									#254
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quote: Originally posted by GP And barracks? The only reason I make one is to keep my advisor happy. That's what STWA is for.

For STWA you need Feudalism. Before SoL I think that's a dubious move.

1) Yet another tech (along with your Polytheism/Monotheism) is necessary - not on the Democracy path.

2) It removes the warrior option in all your cities so incremental rush buying is more expensive.

I usually build one Barracks so there is an early source of Vet units. This is mainly for Barb protection. The investment is worthwhile for the 150g from the Barb Kings. The "Killing Field" approach means that you must have a unit capable of withstanding the Barb Archer's attack. In the early game this is a Vet Phalanx. When the Barbs appear the Phalanx fortifies - ideally on defensive terrain. The Archer attacks and hopefully dies - meanwhile a Horseman is waiting to mop up the 150g - in the BC years that's a lottery win

If sharing a small continent with another civ - they have to go! A Barracks on the front line is important for quick healing and vet units. ICS requires plenty of real estate. Progress is impossible with Mongols crawling through your corn fields.

One of the key moves in the game is to reach the desired form of government quickly. We all know the importance of obtaining Monarchy. Few of us would piddle around researching irrelevant science unless there is no other option. The same single minded approach must be applied in ICS when aiming for Democracy. The reasons for this are:

1) In Monarchy your suffer the penalty of greater unhappiness with multiple cities. ICS - by definition - means just that.

2) SoL offers advanced Governments long before they would normally be available. After building Lady Liberty you have the luxury of deciding how part two of your game will progress.

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	26-07-2001 17:35									#255
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My ICS is not a"pure" ICS but I've never lost with it.

Also I find that if you are ICSing, you don't need huge amounts of real estate becuase of how close your cities are. You just do some backfill...

	26-07-2001 17:47									#256
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I agree with you that it is a disadvantage to lose warriors.

Also realize that once you have Mike's you CAN wait the amount of time it takes to make pikemen. But it does set you up nicely for JSB as well. Which can be quite nice during the tithing period.

I pretty much put a beeline on for SOL, but generally find that there are a few turns where I'm forced to research something off-path.

	26-07-2001 23:17									#257
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SG{3}
SG(2) cease!!!!!

Why do you all insist on thread jacking MY thread? (well, why do GP and SG(2) INSIST ON THREAD JACKING)

	26-07-2001 23:30									#258
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sorry dear. I like to see that smiley filled exasperation. (Could we get Stefu to make a female stamping foot smiley? )

Now...I just learned that you all are neighbors to Spink and Iaiaiaiaian. The suitors are not so far away. But here's the thing. Which city is the primary one (between Leiverpool and Manchester?) Like with Dallas Ft. Worth...people think of Dallas first.

	26-07-2001 23:33									#259
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Why is it SG{3} with {} and SG(2) with ()?

	27-07-2001 00:06									#260
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SG[1] with brackets - because I'm a programmer
SG(2) with parentheses - because he's a printer
SG{3} with braces - because she's different

	27-07-2001 00:14									#261
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If a geeky little brother came into the picture, you could use <>

	27-07-2001 01:03									#262
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quote: Originally posted by GP Now...I just learned that you all are neighbors to Spink and Iaiaiaiaian. The suitors are not so far away. But here's the thing. Which city is the primary one (between Leiverpool and Manchester?) Like with Dallas Ft. Worth...people think of Dallas first.

Spink never even entered this thread. He's perma-banned, remember And I live hundreds of miles dan saaf.

In Britain, there isn't enough spce to think of primary cities, we'd end up with Newcastle, Birmingham and London
I think most Mancunians would say Manc, most scousers would say Liverpool. (note spelling). We enlightened southerners realise that both are spelly yucky ex-industrial cities, and ignore both.

	27-07-2001 01:21									#263
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Err... sorry...I meant you and Iaiaiaian banananana as the suitors. You are 100s of miles south? Iain's got you boxed out there. I didn't think England had enough room for you to be that far away. Is Mancherpool in the Scotland part of England? (I mean Britain, yeah, yeah)

	27-07-2001 02:08									#264
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Manchester and Liverpool are about 1/2 way up Britain. About 2/3 up England. By hundreds, maybe 200 Its not too far, but far enough for my satisfaction. Anything north of London is just "the north" anyway

	27-07-2001 02:34									#265
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London is the only happening town, right?

	27-07-2001 02:55									#266
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quote: Originally posted by Scouse Gits SG{3} SG(2) cease!!!!! Why do you all insist on thread jacking MY thread? (well, why do GP and SG(2) INSIST ON THREAD JACKING)

Ooops - thought after France you would be Teflon ... GP and I had to keep the thread going whilst you were away

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	27-07-2001 03:58									#267
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quote: Originally posted by GP London is the only happening town, right?

I don't know, I don't like happening places, they scare me, and I have never been to any other potential happening place, so I couldn't comment. And London is a city.

	27-07-2001 04:28									#268
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Wombat is an evil southerner...

Officially, England's second city is Birmingham, but in reality Manchester is probably England's real second city. Manchester is the biggest student city in Europe and hence is probably more "happening" than even London... and more affordable. Certainly there's something for every taste. Liverpool isn't as big or important, but it's certainly up there.

Manchester and Liverpool are about three hours from London to the North-West.

	27-07-2001 04:37									#269
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quote: Originally posted by *End Is Forever* Manchester and Liverpool are about three hours from London to the North-West.

....6 hours by Virgin Trains....

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	27-07-2001 05:16									#270
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quote: Originally posted by *End Is Forever* Wombat is an evil southerner...