29-05-2001 22:22									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Zorro's Z So people get banned here after being accused of being a DL, without real proof??

Ironic, this complaint coming from a DL.

Logons Zorro's Z, Voltage, Tiamo and Delete are all DL's of the same poster.


You get to keep one, if you'd like. Email me and let me know which one. (edit - taken care of)


PS - Ann, you're the one who came here and got insulting, so if you get patronized by others, look in the mirror. It's your own conduct that brought it on. You reap what you sow.

	29-05-2001 22:28									#32
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SuperSneak and cpoulos - all are welcome at ACOL, even the obnoxious. So if Stark Fist of Removal wants to come back and bring his buddies, he can do so and we'll enjoy it as much as we've enjoyed the other trolls who have come and gone.

And to answer your question, SuperSneak, here's what I'm trying to accomplish: I find it appalling that Apolyton treat their users the way they do. And I want to let the Apolyton banned know that there's another place they can go. This shouldn't trouble Apolyton since they obviously don't want the people they've banned to be here.

Furthermore, let me point out that my posting this thread raised the visibility of Iskandar's situation and got him un-banned. I think that's a pretty significant accomplishment.

Last edited by AnnC on 29-05-2001 at 22:35

	29-05-2001 22:33									#33
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Ha Ha, three swipes! You're quite the little spitfire, Annie!
Of course, that this is really so you can promote your site goes without saying, eh Annie?

	29-05-2001 22:34									#34
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yes it is.

thank you AnnC

to Ming, SuperSneak,

I'm not mad. i'm surprised it happened to me, little low profile me. but then, it's because i'm low profile that it happened.

aah. don't worry about it.






but can i have a custom avatar?

	29-05-2001 22:44									#35
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I see your point entirely, Ann, but I think that everyone needs to remember that the origins of these problems are in miscommunication, not in malice.
You are turning this into an "us vs. them" situation, with bad intent.
I really enjoy ACOL and its style. I also enjoy Apolyton.

I think trolling is generally tactless, and, though you claim its all funny ha-ha all around, I don't agree...stupid as they were, Stark's posts were pretty hateful and rude. Whether they are taken that way or not by their targets is another thing.

You seem to have made it your personal crusade to criticize this site all of a sudden, which, coming from a site owner, seems highly unprofessional. Maybe you see it as a golden opportunity to get more posters? I don't know...but you and Mike are both class people, though obviously different, and this credits no one.

And in the middle of all this, you don't seem to acknowledge at all that your site members decided initially to come here and stir up trouble--you only defend them in the fallout. I guess its a big yuck to you that Kitty comes here and makes racist remarks? What's the justification for that? Oh, its just a joke, I see. Well I was essentially joking about Ice being her DL, but it had negative repurcussions, didn't it?

I'm certainly not innocent, but try to keep with the spirit of both sites...

I'm not saying you have to like Apolyton, how it's run, who runs it, what is stands for...but it has a massive membership and it would surely be chaotic if it didn't have some rules...your smaller traffic flow insures that ACOL can take the reins off.

I think you and Mike both are lowering yourselves...that a sense of objectivity has been lost.

*sigh* Why are Mommy and Daddy yelling?*

	29-05-2001 22:52									#36
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another example of why world peace is ridiculuos. silly miss universes

	29-05-2001 22:55									#37
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I have been trying to thread about cold war is European creation but seems there is some problem. Instead, I have tried today to understand this problems in here. It looks very similar to old forum problems. I have some observations

Maybe cpulous I think you misunderstand Annc's reference - there is thread on ACOL addressed to you by OldWarrior_42 who says that you are Yank (link is http://www.planetacol.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/015399.html). Maybe you may not have see the joke that Annc does?

Also, there is record of mistaken bannings here. 6 months ago I and MikeH were both banned wrongly (sorry, don't know if links are still exist). Both were eventually corrected although you are maybe lucky that this is dones so fast in your case.

	29-05-2001 23:01									#38
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SuperSneak, no I'm not trying to get more posters. Since I don't sell advertising at ACOL, I don't have a reason to. People can come to ACOL if they want to, but if they want to go somewhere else, it's ok by me.

I took the time to create this thread because of my sympathy for Iskandar's plight (and for the other people who have been banned at Apolyton). And I want them to know that if they are not welcome at Apolyton, there's another site they can use.

	29-05-2001 23:03									#39
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Sneakster - I didn't start it. I don't keep bringing it back up. But I'll be damned if I just sit back and let someone take swipes at me, and keep it up even when I don't respond. I've actually been fairly restrained in my responses so far.

I'll respond to those little snipes, sometimes, but I'm not the one who's pushing this little agenda. I'm not in the habit of taking crap from anyone, and I see no reason to make an exception for this one.

Meanwhile, while talking about how welcome everyone is, and how ACOL never bans people, over at ACOL she singles me out by name, in a thread she started this morning that I hadn't even posted in at the time, and talking (again) about how she might ban me (and LTEC!, by extension, since we're inside a firewall).

Nothing like a little naked hypocrisy, is there?

	29-05-2001 23:05									#40
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quote: And I want them to know that if they are not welcome at Apolyton, there's another site they can use.

That's just what I mean..."not welcome"? Come on, that is such a negative filter you are employing!

This whole thing is ridiculous...and not worth my time. I've made my apologies...if you guys want to pick nits, that's your business. But I have too much exposure to ill will in real life, so, I'm outta here.
Good luck to everyone in winning their respective pointless arguments.

	29-05-2001 23:07									#41
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Since we're on the subject of bannings, Zorro's Z is unbanned, since that's the name he wants to keep.

BTW, this is not an Off-topic thread, but related to the site, so it's being moved to Apolyton Community.

	29-05-2001 23:14									#42
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What MtG says is true: if ACOL ever bans anyone, it will be him. If you follow the link to the thread I posted at ACOL, you'll see that.

	29-05-2001 23:16									#43
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oh let bygones be bygones already.... i don't know why apolyton community is at odds with acol.

enough.. let it be.... ahhh.. what the hell.. human nature... go on... wont be resolved, like palestine and israel.

	29-05-2001 23:18									#44
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Everyone:

Well, heck. Let's send a message to both Apolyton and ACOL — let's not frequent either site until the "adults" can settle things amicably (preferably in private). In the meantime, maybe I can find some adults over at NewsMax.

CYBERAmazon

	29-05-2001 23:37									#45
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CYBER, I agree with your sig line:

"You have to stand for something, or you will fall for anything."

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	29-05-2001 23:49									#46
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MtG, don't be so..... well i don't know the word..


it's like bus conductors here in Malaysia, they have very limited authority, but hey're just so .......( i don't know the word again)... of it and exercise it over the pettiest details. even seemingly innocent things, like i don't want to sit on the seat because it's filthy, i'd rather stand up for the whole hour. it's my right, but malaysian establishments, what do they care about rights......


whoops... getting a little OT..... don't shoot me

	30-05-2001 00:20									#47
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This was just what I thought it was. Another ACOL stunt to draw attention to ACOL.
It's not a bad site, but the constant jealousy of Apolyton is obvious.
TOCG: I only used the "Yank" login three times. I really don't believe I'm that popular that people made the connection. Also, Old Warrior only posted that this weekend, in a small thread. Your telling me people remember that? I don't think so.
Annie was p!ssed cause I saw through the nonsense. Just another stunt.

	30-05-2001 00:24									#48
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cpoulos, you sound a lot like Stark Fist of Removal.

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	30-05-2001 00:28									#49
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quote: Originally posted by cpoulos TOCG: I only used the "Yank" login three times. I really don't believe I'm that popular that people made the connection. Also, Old Warrior only posted that this weekend, in a small thread. Your telling me people remember that? I don't think so. Annie was p!ssed cause I saw through the nonsense. Just another stunt.

No, I'm "p!ssed" because you're addressing me as Annie.

And fyi, I figured out that you're a yankee because I read your location line: NY, NY.

	30-05-2001 00:33									#50
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quote: Originally posted by AnnC No, I'm "p!ssed" because you're addressing me as Annie. And fyi, I figured out that you're a yankee because I read your location line: NY, NY.

I knew it would bother you, Annie.

	30-05-2001 00:51									#51
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quote: Originally posted by AnnC And to answer your question, SuperSneak, here's what I'm trying to accomplish: I find it appalling that Apolyton treat their users the way they do. And I want to let the Apolyton banned know that there's another place they can go. This shouldn't trouble Apolyton since they obviously don't want the people they've banned to be here.

excuse me, Ann, but did you discover the existance of apolyton and it's rules and practices today???

anyway, back to (apolyton) work.....

	30-05-2001 01:10									#52
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No not today, it was Friday.

	30-05-2001 04:16									#53
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And for the benefit of the readership, ACOL allows users to register multiple logins to the same email address. So "double logins", or alter egos as we call them, are de rigueur.

Last edited by AnnC on 30-05-2001 at 09:45

	30-05-2001 08:52									#54
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quote: Originally posted by AnnC MtG, Nadia is a friend of Keith's wife and on occasion, has posted from their computer. That's why some of the IP hits are the same.

Having the same IP can happen too if people share the same DSL via a router, say, or if they both use the same ISP. It seems that however having the same IP is not the sole reason of bannings.

	30-05-2001 09:35									#55
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This is one of the funniest threads i have read in a long time. Thanks everyone

	30-05-2001 10:59									#56
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Is this REALLY AnnC posting? Doesn't sound like her, she's usually pretty mellow.

	30-05-2001 11:01									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Having the same IP can happen too if people share the same DSL via a router, say, or if they both use the same ISP. It seems that however having the same IP is not the sole reason of bannings.

No, it isn't more than an indicator. My wife and I are on a network behind a cable modem and a pair of routers. Every computer here has the same external IP, except when we use a dialup connection for our backup ISP.

And yes, DL's are part of the ACOL "culture" (couldn't resist )

	30-05-2001 11:08									#58
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat except when we use a dialup connection for our backup ISP.

Or to make D/ls

Is Cpoulos one of yours?

*runs*

	30-05-2001 13:40									#59
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Yeah, Nadia's right we did both get banned mistakenly a few months back.

	30-05-2001 16:35									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse Is Cpoulos one of yours? *runs*

I'm a community outlit. No such poster exisists.
Follow the trail to access the password to use this ID.