01-06-2001 19:02									#31
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quote: Originally posted by deity Thanks Sir Francis. But on a serious note I think your credentials are on the ascendancy! With that win in the Monday Night diplo and hot on my heels in HOTW2 you'll be in these lists before you know it! You feeling lucky? Go ahead, screw my pg Not! Serious oimissions: Makeo (as in Smack-ee-oh!) carnide MarkE Berzerker Crusty species, I believe? And I understand Epik and suas are good too... And I thought that someone in the Rah/Ming/Bird group really rocked? Who was it? Not War4. He sux. He dodges games too.....

pah i don't dodge anyone........

	01-06-2001 21:13									#32
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Never played makeo so I don't know, Carnide....I'd have to say no. I've never been impressed with his game, he's too simplistic. Species could probably be on there. Berzerker and Crusty? Kind of in the same boat as Carnide. Never played MarkE so I don't know. Suas is not a top tier player, and I doubt Epik is though I've never played him.

	01-06-2001 21:18									#33
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quote: With that win in the Monday Night diplo and hot on my heels in HOTW2 you'll be in these lists before you know it!

Who's to say you're not on my heels Deity

	02-06-2001 09:26									#34
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quote: Originally posted by drake Who's to say you're not on my heels Deity

Well, we all know you are the big leader in this game but the empirical analysis suggests:
* You have 45 techs; I have 48
* I'm first in pop, GNP and production

But it is true that you have led most of the game.... and you could say I've been hot on your heel

	02-06-2001 09:56									#35
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quote: Originally posted by EyesOfNight Never played makeo so I don't know, Carnide....I'd have to say no. I've never been impressed with his game, he's too simplistic. Species could probably be on there. Berzerker and Crusty? Kind of in the same boat as Carnide. Never played MarkE so I don't know. Suas is not a top tier player, and I doubt Epik is though I've never played him.

OK, just for the fun of it, my 'sense' of it is this:

TOP TIER:
Nappy (Tourney 2000 winner)
ariitea (did very well in Tourney 2000)
Markus (did very well in Tourney 2000)
Eyes*
Kaak*
Makeo
Smartfart*
JB*
species*

GREAT 2nd TIER PLAYERS:
carnide
Berzerker
Crusty
Epik*
suas333*
RAH
Ming*
Bird
War4ever
kengel*
jediscum*
Mark E
deity (put myself here)

GREAT UP AND COMING PLAYERS:
drake
Zylka
EASTHAVEN
agharta


PLAYERS WITH SPECIAL MILITARY and/or DIPLO QUALITIES:
Alexanders Horse - military
Rasputin - aggressive and clever diplomacy
finbar - serious peacemonger
GNGSpam - brilliant diplomat and manipulator
Capo - story telling and gamesmanship (better than Eyes!)


AND MANY OTHER TERRIFIC PLAYERS who are very 'clubbable' and in any given game any of us can shine:

I'm sure there are more names to go in but just playing around with this for the heck of it!
It would be nice to have an Apolyton League for proper MP games with a rating system, especially with Civ3 coming out.


*deity not played against

	02-06-2001 10:10									#36
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Agharta is an up and coming player? I think that's an insult to all those who have talent.

	02-06-2001 11:47									#37
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who me aggresive ??? NEVER !!!! GRRRRRR!!!!

	03-06-2001 00:01									#38
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When you guys can duplicate this then we can talk This is 1x 1x btw.

	03-06-2001 00:42									#39
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gee enlightning....why don't you ever post screens of when your losing

	03-06-2001 01:30									#40
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No joke. Play a hundred games, all different, and then pick one as representative ?
uh huh.

	03-06-2001 03:46									#41
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever gee enlightning....why don't you ever post screens of when your losing

losing? whats that? I have never heard of it

	03-06-2001 04:09									#42
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ah i see the difference in first and second tier now....... first tier can't admit to losing any games and the second tier is very humble

	03-06-2001 06:07									#43
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LOL @ War4

It must be hard having never lost a game, take it out of the box , play it for the first time , crush the AI on Deity by 500 bc.
I'm glab I had to struggle my way learning from my mistakes.

	03-06-2001 07:05									#44
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umm for us mere mortals, can some one please do a tutorial on how to get 50 Gold per commodity in Trade per turn ....

This is obviously one of this hidden explanations in manual

	03-06-2001 07:12									#45
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HA! I got to laugh at this one. More Apoloyton arrogance. Quite possibly the best player in the world was left off the list.
That would be the 8 time Game League Champion, StrategicKing.
You inbred hicks got to come forth from your catacombs, theres more civ life out side this puny community.
I cant say for certain that you people are no good, since we never play. Mostly your fault, I am so easy to find on gaming zone or icq. But from some of the players on the list like arii and markus I have beaten frequently and eyes recently could do no better then 50% vs me in duels. But nobody touches me in team games or multiplayer games.
Your all a bunch of wannabies...I vote for myself...
Blow me if you dont like it...

	03-06-2001 08:54									#46
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LOL 50%? There has NEVER been anybody to ever go 50/50 with me. I mean in the past 2 years the best of them are lucky to be maybe 20/80. Who do you think is actually going to believe that? lol ANd lest face it, you're the 8 day champ.

P.S. Do you even know what catacombs means?

	03-06-2001 10:21									#47
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Strategyking makes a Civ living off talking newbies at the Zone into League, then munching them up for points.

One of the downsides of League's structure.

	03-06-2001 10:45									#48
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Sounds like Tourney time to me. I will henceforth open a thread for the 2001 Players Tourney. Add the points and structure will be better this time!

	03-06-2001 17:13									#49
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Markus,
How come you have so much pollution with only 20 shields?

	03-06-2001 17:19									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Rasputin umm for us mere mortals, can some one please do a tutorial on how to get 50 Gold per commodity in Trade per turn .... This is obviously one of this hidden explanations in manual

This needs to be explained Markus.
I know we did tests together but it still doesn't make sense. Unless you explain it I continue to believe it is a bug.
Eyes says it's not though.
Does anyone else follow this?

	03-06-2001 20:36									#51
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quote: Originally posted by deity Markus, How come you have so much pollution with only 20 shields?

when you get mass production, all size 20 and above cities have HUGE pollution. I believe this is a size 38. If i where to build mass transit it would reduce pollution to about 5 or 6.

	03-06-2001 21:04									#52
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quote: Originally posted by deity This needs to be explained Markus. I know we did tests together but it still doesn't make sense. Unless you explain it I continue to believe it is a bug. Eyes says it's not though. Does anyone else follow this?

Connect the cities with roads and then railroads, maximize trade in each city (roads everywhere, superhighways etc), and make sure the trade route is to another civ (doubles per turn trade). Obviously in this case Rome is a city similar to Babylon in size and trade production to create large routes - it can be done legitimately though, tested it out using cheat mode and i have +22 routes with my own cities and +45 routes with another civ, and none of these cities were as trade optimized as Babylon is in the pic.

	03-06-2001 21:08									#53
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well i don't understand why there are no units in the city
to support.
at this point in the game , most of the time is war with someone.
unless this is a SP game and you made peace with the ai's or
how can you get away with not supporting your capital city ?

maybe this is a dumb rookie question , but i still would like to know

	03-06-2001 22:06									#54
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Just for fun i went and created 2 cities in cheat mode, to see what kind of trade i could get. I took a screen shot of what it would look like in 1x and 2x. Not much difference really

	04-06-2001 05:46									#55
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quote: Carnide....I'd have to say no. I've never been impressed with his game, he's too simplistic. Species could probably be on there. Berzerker and Crusty? Kind of in the same boat as Carnide. Never played MarkE so I don't know. Suas is not a top tier player

Well, Carnide is better than me so I may be in a third or fourth tier. But Mark E and Suas are very good players. Those cities are impressive, Markus! I have to struggle to get a civ over 5000 total science and you can do it with 2 cities. Well, I'm sure I can get more than 5000 if I play a game to the end with all the city improvements, etc.

	04-06-2001 06:41									#56
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Stil lcvant see how this can be done, if it takes trade to a foriegn civ na dthat civ needs to have citys of similar size.. Then a few points come to mind.

Most players who claim this type of trade, do so in MP games where they are so far ahead of any opposition it snot funny, so no way the opposition has that size city.

secondly if this is SP, it doesnt count as this is MP , and the poll was for MP best player, and erven if it is SP. the AI never builds citys that big that quick in the game...

So agai ni ask, how is ti possible, without cheating to achieve this type of thing...

As you see above in Markus second pic, you see that in 1x there is not enoguh food to support the city and it is quickly dying , so would need many food caravans to survive...

Please explain more, I know eyes wil lbe best for a blow by blow description of how this is done...

	04-06-2001 18:20									#57
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Your assuming noone else is building these kind of cities - if your ally's doing the same thing then you can get these huge routes easily.

	05-06-2001 10:49									#58
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Jesus, goto cheat, create 2 citys aways apart, give them ever city improvement, take away all tech after freight is delivered and you can do even better then this. Want to get even get more crazy? Make the colossus have no experation date. Got even more time? Build many citys and find the ones with the best supply and demand.

	05-06-2001 17:17									#59
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Is it Strategyking, or cheatsking?

Only inbred desperate players would do something like that.
Look at the referenced game and think a minute.
Markusf? never mind.

Last edited by SlowwHand on 05-06-2001 at 17:30

	05-06-2001 20:01									#60
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ok hands up all those that have been involved in an MP and I stress MP game, where by 1000AD , two civs had massive citys large enough to maintain this type of trade.....

I see a lot of this can be done in Scenario game sstrictly setup to do this, also via cheat mode, but as this is a MP Forum and a MP Poll, I would like some MP answers.....