05-07-2001 00:11									#31
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only rules are the ones i listed. (since we are going turn based attacking is fine, but i prefer if people didn't start a war early prolong turns...)


tech paradigm won't change...

We should be good to go.

	05-07-2001 01:10									#32
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I've responded to the request for civ/player assignments (from another thread). I trust they will be satisfactory. However, it seems to me that you need a good map to give everyone an honest start (and you are all on your own after that), of course). I can make one in about 2 hours. with everyone having no extra techs and you all starting in balanced terrain.

I just need to know what settings and whether you want huts, continents vs islands etc, or not.

	05-07-2001 01:44									#33
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I've just looked on the map. I must say it's so silly,but if everyone wants to play on it,so be it.

I also prefere no tech trading,you wanna tech - steal it as every honest person do

Why not embassies? What difference does it make? I like to play with foreign minister when waiting for my turn. It's my only fun once i stop micromanaging (am not saying mm-ing is fun).

Do I have to unzip that map in some particular directory or I can leave it where it is (eurodip scenario) ?

Please everybody confirm your intention to play on friday 6PST.

SF

	05-07-2001 02:17									#34
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SF embasies was only a suggestion. Tech trading will be open for debate depending on how fast the game progresses...

Everyone has already confirmed they can play and that they will be there.... And no there will be no need for anyone to make a folder etc... I will convert the .mp file to a .scn and off we go...

	05-07-2001 05:45									#35
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I'm against caravans to other civs. A few other proposed rules are borderline exceptional, but caravans to other civs has to go.

SF will you consider simul moves just for the first few millenia? On such a huge map and with 1x movement there will be little to no war in this period, and we can all agree on no attacking first contact, turn based respected if you choose war after that.

	05-07-2001 07:03									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka I'm against caravans to other civs. A few other proposed rules are borderline exceptional, but caravans to other civs has to go. SF will you consider simul moves just for the first few millenia? On such a huge map and with 1x movement there will be little to no war in this period, and we can all agree on no attacking first contact, turn based respected if you choose war after that.

ya caravans to other civs is bad... especially with me arri and nappy right next to each other. we would have spaceflight by the time the rest of the people got invention


I removed all the huts and made the map file a SCN. You won't need this file to play

	05-07-2001 16:06									#37
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why no caravans to foreign civs.. surely that is integral to civ 2 philosophy, but that is just my opinion , it is after all your game

	05-07-2001 17:12									#38
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Caravans! caravans! The persians want caravans.

	06-07-2001 05:09									#39
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quote: Originally posted by markusf ya caravans to other civs is bad... especially with me arri and nappy right next to each other. we would have spaceflight by the time the rest of the people got invention

I am still waitng for that spaceflight of yours. There is 'Brag Here' thread somewhere. Friday.

SF

	06-07-2001 05:19									#40
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me and arii know how to rape the trade system. making 10,000 gold a turn + 3 techs a turn doesn't make it fun for everyone else.

	06-07-2001 11:59									#41
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Okay, no tech trading and none of this phony "conquering" back and forth of border cities

And none of this congenial tech stealing either... If we are going to play with rules designed to isolate each civilization's progression, then let's play by the rules and the spirit in which they were made

	06-07-2001 12:03									#42
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Oh btw, I'd like to have a chance in this game. Do you guys build factories/manufacturing plants, etc. in most of your cities or do you just rush buy caravans?

	06-07-2001 17:34									#43
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No caravans
no city swappings like that....
only apollo is allowed.
no SDI (allows for cruise missles to be used)
nothing that would be considered a cheat
no tech trading
no huts
no city bribing

we will go over the rules in the game.



we have 7 players. This means that even if you are far behind its easy to catch up. For instance makeo could be fighting the greeks, then load up a bunch of dips and sail to persia and go tech stealing....

	06-07-2001 18:29									#44
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No caravans at all or to foreign civs?

SDI's should be allowed. You may use cruise missiles on ships or field troops. I am still waiting to see one in my game. So far I've seen fighters and battleships.

Berz...some cities should have factories. All of them if possible

	06-07-2001 19:44									#45
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to foriegn civ...

if SDI is in, aren't all missles in a city radius destroyed?

	07-07-2001 03:27									#46
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there is a huge storm here so if i don't show its because i've been incinerated. 7mountain time right?

	07-07-2001 04:18									#47
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quote: Originally posted by markusf No caravans no city swappings like that.... only apollo is allowed. no SDI (allows for cruise missles to be used) nothing that would be considered a cheat..... ....

So city swapping for trade purposes is really a cheat then

I'd agree with that...

	07-07-2001 05:37									#48
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no diety, emptying your cities of units, then passing the city back and forth between civs to get tech is (since no tech trading is allowed)

	07-07-2001 05:43									#49
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I gather tech stealing is allowed

	07-07-2001 11:24									#50
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700 b.c. in the first session, not bad.

	07-07-2001 12:15									#51
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Not bad at all. I hope you don't miss sim turns too much. Sorry for leaving early but I had some stuff to do.

I believe we could play same time tomorrow. This time i could play MUCH longer.

Cya.

SF

	07-07-2001 12:31									#52
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700 B.C. in the first session, not bad. Thus far...

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Game profile:

-Deity
-1x 1x
-7 players
-Edited Euro map (52x192, flat)
-No wonders (except apollo)
-No city bribe
-No tech trading
-No formal alliances
-No foreign caravan trades
-No exploiting grey areas ie.) city/unit/caravan swapping...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Powergraph:

French (Smart Fart) - Supreme
Spanish (Zylka) - Mighty
Persians (Arii) - Strong
Greeks (Berzerker) - Moderate
Mongols (Makeo) - Inadequate
Babylonians (Markus) - Weak
Russians (Nappy) - Pathetic

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Cities/Units:

French (Smart Fart) - 21 cities, 18 units
Spanish (Zylka) - 12 cities, 31 units
Persians (Arii) - 7 cities, 9 units
Greeks (Berzerker) - 11 cities, 1 unit
Mongols (Makeo) - 9 cities, 11 units
Babylonians (Markus) - 12 cities, 9 units
Russians (Nappy) - 12 cities, 10 units

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Top 5 cities:

Persian - Persopolis (6)
Moscow - Russian (5)
Persian - Pasargadae (6)
Persian - Arbela (6)
Babylonian - Babylon (5)

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From Spains eyes, Smart Fart (France) is kicking serious ass, and has probably settled the rich archipeligo once known as the U.K. He arrived at philosophy surprisingly early, and is bordered by all other empires - a sure candidate for the game's "Techs R Us". Persia has been taking advantage of WLTKD very successfully, which is seemingly at a cost of less cities and a higher lux rate. The Persians have slowly befriended the dear Spanish, together they have loosely drawn settlement borders to abide by - down the 38th parallel. I find myself (Spain) in a fairly strong position right now. The high unit count is result of a prolonged monarchy, which I believe is better in the long run when milked properly (especially in Spain's site/situation). All other nations are probably republics, can Democracy be far ahead?

Keep in mind this does not count any infrastructure or tech disparities that surely exist. I haven't a clue what is going on in the East either, and have seen Markus explode to the lead from *worse*. Let's just hope the nukes don't show up before the West has a good idea of what's going on. That's all for now. More stats, maps, and maybe even pretty charts as the game progresses

See you all same time next Friday (hopefully before),
Cheers.

Last edited by Zylka on 07-07-2001 at 12:38

	07-07-2001 12:44									#53
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quote: Originally posted by SmartFart I believe we could play same time tomorrow. This time i could play MUCH longer. SF

Can do... I think everyone agreed on Sunday same time as well, just waiting for confirmation from yourself and Makeo. Let's try to do Saturday or Sunday if possible

Cheers.

	07-07-2001 16:42									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka Can do... I think everyone agreed on Sunday same time as well, just waiting for confirmation from yourself and Makeo. Let's try to do Saturday or Sunday if possible Cheers.

SF can play on sunday, just need to hear from makeo. But it seems like we will have a sesson tomorrow and thursday.
I won't be racing ahead any time soon. I can't even celebrate at 80% lux. I should have given a babs a few trade specials as stupid rivers pretty much destroy inter city trade. but i will live, its nothing like the mil dip game where all i had where white moutains and plains at the start. lol

	08-07-2001 08:16									#55
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everyone is confirmed for 6 pst sunday, and 6 pst thursday this week.

	08-07-2001 09:05									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka Let's just hope the nukes don't show up before the West has a good idea of what's going on.

Nukes? Is Manhattan Project allowed?

Nice summary. I have nothing to add except that we're playing w/o huts.

	08-07-2001 09:15									#57
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no wonders accept apollo.

Unless there is a vote to include nukes. I don't care either way....

	08-07-2001 22:24									#58
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Thats a sweet map huys.Do your husbands play civ also?

I wouldn't worry too much about nukes.Build your SS.

	08-07-2001 22:51									#59
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i may be a little late

	09-07-2001 01:32									#60
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I added flags to my modpack, and i brightened up some of the civ colors. If anyone wants a copy to use for the game message me