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yin26
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Apr 1999
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3) ...including common courtesy.
I agree! I'm not even talking giving new information but tending to the basic information ANYBODY should resonably expect. You say "monthly updates" but can't keep the schedule? SAY IT! You say "Well, we have TWO projects going on" so you can't update the site often? SAY IT! And don't say it in this thread for goodness sake. Where should you say it?
Hmmm....HOW ABOUT ON THE WEB PAGE ITSELF?! Oh, but I forget, this takes tooooo long. Much better to surf here and make excuses.
If there's something I'VE learned about Firaxis it's that:
1. They have more faith in themselves as gamers than they do in their public. Call it the 'Sid Complex.'
2. They consider the public the beneficiary NOT the source of Firaxis' existence.
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yin26
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Are those things in your job description or up to your own good will or whim as a hobbyist? Someone forgot to tell the Wizard that this groovy Net job stopped being a hobby when he signed the dotted line. Of course, if his bosses don't care, who am I to argue?
By the way, Markos, there's understanding and then there's bending over to touch your toes... 
One more thing: I would bet my LIFE that if you in Dan's situation, you would have updated that site 100 times, at least just to say: "Sorry. We will miss the update this month. We'll try for an even BETTER update next month!" Why and how do I know this? Because I've seen your work ethic in practice many, many times. I might not always agree with what you do with this site, but at least you DO something on a consistent basis. And I'm sure those little things call "Life" and "Work" are demanding some of your time, too, eh?
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Yin, you a lawyer?? You make so many good points that are hard to argue with. If I'm in trouble, forget Johnny Cochran, I want Yin on my team!
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I hardly think that Dan's job application reads: "Make Firaxis's fan's angry".
He has his own good reasons for not telling you, but because a lot of you keep whinghing, he probably has given up and told you that he is updating the site. Which he may probably had hoped would be a surprise.
I suggest doing some work instead of sitting there begging for an update and getting angry because Dan isn't updating the site.
behaving like children and especialy hypocrits won't get you anywhere, will it. 
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Adm.Naismith
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Oct 1999
time: 06:14
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Originally posted by me:
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How can Dan ignore so many bait we throw at him?
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Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
We know you want some updates and we are working to make that happen
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Heck, I almost catched the big fish, then he suddenly dribbled and escaped from the net  
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Originally posted by Dan Magaha FIRAXIS
The reason there has been no site update is because we are working on rolling out a new, official website that will support the launch of the game and act as the official website from here on out.
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Oh my, why so many bosses don't have a clue on the web duty? We don't ask for a brand new site every six month, nice graphics, bell and whistle, we ask for more info, fact and figures.
Your previus site was good enough for us: we don't care of a more official site (wasn't the previous "official enough"?), we want the meat, not another skin 
Ok, I suppose I must be polite and thank you for your kind reply to my post  ... if only it was a reply at all: it seems more a diplomatic sentence straight from the diplomatic table of Civ III
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yin26
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We hope to launch a full-fledged product site in the spring/summer timeframe. |
This was from looong ago. I reposted that for you, Contradiction, and anybody else who cares to continue with the "surprise" farce. We've known about this 'surprise' for months. So hey, Contradiction: SURPRISE!
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I hardly think that Dan's job application reads: "Make Firaxis's fan's angry". |
Hmmm, are you sure? By the way, at my job today I had to write an important letter to the Secretary General of the AUAP. You know what? I actually WROTE it! Oh, and this you won't believe: I had more than TWO projects going today. Wow. Imagine.
Of course, I'll remember your advice well. Next time I won't write the letter, and when the crap hits the fan, I'll just say: "Yes, I was gonna write the letter as a surprise."
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Aiyah
Yin, I already knew that, I read that too, a long time ago, that was not what I was refferring to.
And I have more than 3 projects going, I mean really, so what. There's some guy working coal mines somewhere, he's doing harder work than you and I put together, but what is your point, honestly. Please notice there is no question mark.
I received an email from Dan just today, and it's a lot more than just a skin. Infact it sounds really cool what they are planning on doing, so I can't wait to see it, and I hope others have faith and just sit cool for a bit.
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yin26
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ContradictioN:
Yes. And the coal miner, I assume, is showing up, doing his work OR getting sacked. That's the point. I'm running out of words to describe it, really. The amount of work is not what's at stake here. In fact, it's the appaling LITTLE amount of work Dan would have to do with the current site that's at issue.
Again, the new site is irrelevant to this entire discussion. We have been talking about the irresponsible way the CURRENT site has been left to rot. Sure, I hope the next site is great. We all do. However, that's not the topic.
As further evidence of what I'm talking about, why should YOU or any one individual be privy to what's going on with the site? Unprofessional. Pure and simple.
So, Markos, add sending inside e-mails to another one of the time-wasters this Wizard is off playing with instead of doing basic Webmaster work.
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Adm.Naismith
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Milano - Italy
Oct 1999
time: 06:14
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Originally posted by MarkG
i think it's logical to believe that the new site wont be just an easthetic update, but is part of the preparation for the multiplayer features.... |
MarkG, I worked on a web project, you manage at least one quite big... how long can we cheat ourselves with this?
My point is that updating a web site is not related to any main revamping of it: you can prepare all the features on the background, while publishing a bunch of screenshots gif, or writing down a two page updated FAQ.
You can build the site tree one branch after another, no one will kill you: "work in progress" is the norm, "abandoned site" too, but they are mostly amatorial site, aren't they? Wait, I've just got a hint...
Only PR boss think in large, fat step, because TV ad and press ad works so. The web need another pace, another rythme.
They are dancing Waltz on a Rock&Roll dancing club This is asking for trouble, I tell you.
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Yin I actually didn't ask him, he just told me on a side-note.
Look, yin, hear me this time, and this time I will explain myself.
Lets say Dan was going to update the site around the 12th of July, which has supposedly been the guessed date for the next update.
Now, meantime, between the last time he updated, and now, he has been busy busy making a new site, and making the sims golf site, and helping out with the game perhaps even, and even keeping good contact with the fans, a lot more you could even ask for.
Now, the 12th of July comes around, and the new updated site is up, and there is new everything, that'll keep you amused for a good while.
Now you're saying, that he should post up on the site "I'm going to update the site in a few days"
Did he even do that before? with the previous updates? no of course not, and why should he?
As a webdesigner myself, I understand the proudness feeling you get out of creating a site. I understand the good feeling you get when someone goes to your site and makes a big fuss over it. And you usually get that when you surprise them.
And even if this wasn't on Dan's mind, do you really want Dan to say I am going to update the site in 2 days? Heck, he probably doesn't even know if he can update the site in 2 days? He will obviously update the site ASAP, not when you/fans want it to be up.
So he can't make any serious promises, he'd prefer to just upload the site once its all done and working. How can he know that its all going to be working in 2 days time? So it's best for Dan to just keep quiet, and update the site when its done and working. And just like EVERY OTHER TIME the site was updated, DAN TOLD US ON THE FORUMS.
SO LEAVE HIM ALONE! Chrimey, he doesn't come whinghing to you, telling you to hurry up with your work, making him all upset for no real serious reason.
Boy if I was you, I'd apologize, because you have seriously just pulled on your own back collar down a well which you've dug out yourself.
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