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Guardian
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Bergen, Norway
Feb 2001
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Welcome back Speayber! 
As you may have noticed, virtually nothing at all happened while you were away, so we can pick up right where we left off. 
Now, I would like to draw everyone's attention to the admin thread for a moment... it appears we have some rather MAJOR inconsistencies in terms of sizes and numbers of military forces. I haven't posted anything about the PK forces yet, and I currently find it kind of hard to do so, seeing as how - for instance - the air force is supposed to have more than 40 units, but fewer than 10 units... 
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Originally posted by kassiopeia
Guardian, those are PK ideals, but are they Lal's ideals? |
Actually, yes.
However, Lal would like to get rid of all the factions and have everyone unite under one (PK) government, which would then protect everyone's rights (-and which he'd like to be part of)... This doesn't mean Lal wants everyone to think the way he does, although it can easily be mistaken for just that. Oh, and of course, everyone would have to agree on certain basics (U.N. Charter, etc.)... For more details, watch for my introduction to PK politics - coming soon to an admin thread near you!
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Originally posted by kassiopeia
Oh, and to Guardian: "Sort this mess out with Spartans" does not sound like "improve relations" - that sounds more like "kick their sorry hind quarters", so to speak |
Well, "kick their sorry hind quarters" is not the typical PK idea of how to go about sorting out their differences with other factions... However, in the Spartans' case... well, we really don't know yet... 
Last edited by Guardian on 01-10-2001 at 11:45
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Kassiopeia
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Jyväskylä, Finland
Jul 2001
time: 07:14
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Originally posted by Guardian
Now, I would like to draw everyone's attention to the admin thread for a moment... it appears we have some rather MAJOR inconsistencies in terms of sizes and numbers of military forces. I haven't posted anything about the PK forces yet, and I currently find it kind of hard to do so, seeing as how - for instance - the air force is supposed to have more than 40 units, but fewer than 10 units... |
Just the air force, or all forces in total?
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However, Lal would like to get rid of all the factions and have everyone unite under one (PK) government, which would then protect everyone's rights (-and which he'd like to be part of)... This doesn't mean Lal wants everyone to think the way he does, although it can easily be mistaken for just that. Oh, and of course, everyone would have to agree on certain basics (U.N. Charter, etc.)... For more details, watch for my introduction to PK politics - coming soon to an admin thread near you! |
Oh, what is that lurking in the horizon? Well well, isn't that our old friend Conflict?
Lal is rather optimistic with that. To have the Believers join the Federation - I mean, UN  , there would have to be some major internal change in Believing goverment, something like a revolution or similar.
A question to our moderators: Is it possible for a faction to have a revolution and change it's leader?
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Guardian
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Bergen, Norway
Feb 2001
time: 06:14
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Originally posted by kassiopeia
Just the air force, or all forces in total? |
That would be the air force. LordLMP has previously stated that the Pirates have 40 air units and their air force is smaller than that of the Peacekeepers. DarkCloud, on the other hand, says the Peacekeepers have "7 - 10 air units"...
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Oh, what is that lurking in the horizon? Well well, isn't that our old friend Conflict?
Lal is rather optimistic with that. To have the Believers join the Federation - I mean, UN , there would have to be some major internal change in Believing goverment, something like a revolution or similar. |
Our old friend Conflict is never far away, it seems...
Lal isn't actively pursuing his rather lofty goal at the moment though, and he isn't all that optimistic about it either, but it's still a goal to strive for... However, there are many different views on how to go about striving for it...
(once again, check out the PK politics thing once I get around to posting it...)
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Kassiopeia
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Jyväskylä, Finland
Jul 2001
time: 07:14
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Originally posted by DarkCloud
True, the BSF sponsored the Perfect Society to capture the gases after they discovered news of the transport; they wished to use the gases on mindworms. A few BSF members (5 or 6) accompanied the PS from afar, watching, and waiting to confiscate the materials after the PS take them.
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And then the ship blew up, and the BSF received radio transmissions of a firefight onboard moments before explosion, IIRC.
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No, it is not possible for a faction to have a revolution and change its leaders- I believe it IS possible to have a revolution and NOT change the leaders, however |
But a Believing revolution without overthrowing Miriam... Like carrying water from a lake to another. Much work, no gain.
Trying out the limits
Guardian: Well then, it's not my problem, as the Believers have no air forces 
I'm anxious to read that Politics -post.
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Sorry for dissapearing. Didn;t have the internet for five days and i move into my new apartment by myself, yay!
People, are you going to simply ignore Svensgaard at the COuncil? :P maybe thats why they want to get done the elections now before the scheduled leaders arrived, just to avoid giving Svensgaard an answer :P Fine, be that way ;p
Just don't go around complaining what the Pirate does when you could of prevent it by accept to Svensgaard terms
The lost of the Anti-Worm Gas convoy a world issue??? And more important then the war between Believers-Cult? :P
As for the military, i agree.... Definatly should redo the pirates stats.... but we didn't seriously agree to How Big a Unit should too...
I think for a Unit to equal to a Regiment is to big....
How about this:
Infantry Unit = Battalion
Rover/Hovertank/etc = Platoon/Squadron (12-15 rovers/tanks/etc)
Needlejet Unit = Squadron (12-15 jets)
Chopper Unit = Platoon/Squadron (12-15 Choppers)
Naval Unit = One Foil/Cruiser
Naval Transport/supply Unit = One
Air Transport/Supply Unit = One
Supply Convoy = Small convoy of around 5 Supply Crawlers
In SMAX, Cruisers are faster and stronger then Foils...but Foils would be more maneuvarable.
Infantry would have Armoured Personel Vehicules, Personel, etc... for moving them about. But doubt they will always be available.
Pirates military may be Large, but they spread out all over the place... Not like their military is concentrated in one area like most of the rest of the factions.
I also suggest we wrap up year 2200 by skipping to 2201.... so briefly mention the results of the Naval Confrontation, The Issues in the PLanetary Council like Svensgaard's "Dare" and the Governor elections. We should post our votes at the Planetary Council Thread please.
Another suggestion is bring back the date thing... but will have conditions so people don't go to far in the future too quickly or drag it way to long. Because getting into this game minute by game minute details of a situation is bit to unrealistic here... especially of others wants to go on. Military Confrontations should be dealt like from a General Distance, like the President sending the military to the middle east... He will get general reports, but doubt he will be able to get minute by minute details.... (Unless your glued to the maps at a Command Nexus or Marinetime Control Center). Results of a conflict should be discussed between the involved Players...privatly too maybe to prevent other players to make actions base on "predictions of the future" :P
So, to repeat again, this is Diplomacy type game... meaning, don't get to much to Story like details! :P
-LMP
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DarkCloud
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of Lists
Jul 2000
time: 05:14
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Originally posted by [LordLMP]
Just don't go around complaining what the Pirate does when you could of prevent it by accept to Svensgaard terms
The lost of the Anti-Worm Gas convoy a world issue??? And more important then the war between Believers-Cult? :P |
Possibly not more important- but it is necessary to resolve the Vote-the Gas- then the B-C war... Each could cause reprecussions with the others... Zakharov knows most everyone who was involved- yes, he doesn't know everything, but he has good enough data to throw the blame in any direction, regardless of the veracity of his accusations
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As for the military, i agree.... Definatly should redo the pirates stats.... but we didn't seriously agree to How Big a Unit should too... |
A unit is as big as the units in the Game, thus there most likely will not be many units on the ground at one time.
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Infantry Unit = Battalion
Rover/Hovertank/etc = Platoon/Squadron (12-15 rovers/tanks/etc)
Needlejet Unit = Squadron (12-15 jets)
Chopper Unit = Platoon/Squadron (12-15 Choppers)
Naval Unit = One Foil/Cruiser
Naval Transport/supply Unit = One
Air Transport/Supply Unit = One
Supply Convoy = Small convoy of around 5 Supply Crawlers |
... I don't know- I really can't comment on this... Except I think the Needlejet should be 5-12 at most and the choppers should be 5-12 at most as well. Anything else seems like overkill... It costs a lot of money to maintain a large army force.
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I also suggest we wrap up year 2200 by skipping to 2201.... so briefly mention the results of the Naval Confrontation, The Issues in the PLanetary Council like Svensgaard's "Dare" and the Governor elections. We should post our votes at the Planetary Council Thread please. |
"Dare"? Did I miss something?
... Too late to do that now But bump it with your vote if you like
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So, to repeat again, this is Diplomacy type game... meaning, don't get to much to Story like details! :P |
Ah, yes, I remember THAT discussion but there is still room for intrigues
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Guardian
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Bergen, Norway
Feb 2001
time: 06:14
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Originally posted by [LordLMP]
People, are you going to simply ignore Svensgaard at the Council? :P maybe thats why they want to get done the elections now before the scheduled leaders arrived, just to avoid giving Svensgaard an answer :P Fine, be that way ;p |
Heh... well, I had no idea you'd posted anything new in there... 
I'll try to put an answer up there later today. If not, then it'll probably be a few days, since I've got tomorrow off and I'll be away for the weekend. Anyway, it's coming...
As for military and unit sizes... well I agree that a wing (which could be over 100 aircraft) is a bit "over the top" for air units, so a squadron sounds better. As for rover units, I wouldn't mind them being a little bigger... perhaps about 40 or so??
Everything else looks good to me.
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So, to repeat again, this is Diplomacy type game... meaning, don't get to much to Story like details! :P |
Ummm... it seems I'm pretty good at doing just that...
I won't quit it totally, but I'll try not to get too carried away, okay?
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29-09-2001 00:58
) have made the government painfully aware of its limitations in the military sector. We don't even have a real air force. Keep your eyes open for major future purchases from Sparta and the Hive, and possibly even a bid to acquire a share of the Ascetic Virtues.
I am getting slightly pissed off here because the same thing happened before the restart.
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