08-08-2001 09:46									#31
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Syndicate was pretty cool. I wasted a lot of Year 12 playing that game. Same with Frontier Elite II.

Edit: er, yes, these are both VGA games. But so's Colonisation. (runs away)

	08-08-2001 11:11									#32
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I also read at theunderdogs.org that they are preparing Pirates! 2 http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/...3/pirat2pg.htm.

	08-08-2001 19:33									#33
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Well, if you're interested in helping with a Colonization II projet, go here:

http://pub73.ezboard.com/fthecolonizationiiprojectfrm1

Yeah, I haven't been there in a while..... Sorry guys!

	08-08-2001 21:25									#34
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EGA Trek is one of my favorites.
VGA Miner is good too....but it's VGA

	08-08-2001 22:58									#35
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EGA Trek brings back some good memories.
I was very skillful at that game but totally forgot about it.

	09-08-2001 01:40									#36
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I dug deep down into my memory to try and remember the oldest game I ever played on a computer. That's hard! I can remember playing Hangman on my old 80/88 laptop (made by Tandy).

I also remember playing this came called "Crystal Caves" or something like that by Apogee. I wonder if I still have it. . .?

	09-08-2001 02:21									#37
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The oldest computer game I have played must have been Wumpus, shortly followed by Hamurabi = the predecessor of civ . These were not even on the PC. With the PC followed Castle, Mars-Esc (a real text-adventure gem), and of course the first real classic: Pacman!! Anyone ever played this to a finish?
The next generation brought Perfect General, Ishar, Dune and SimCity ....

	09-08-2001 05:39									#38
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Ahhh.... Crystal Caves... I loved that game... and I actually managed to beat it. It used up a whole lot of valuable time, but it was fun....

	09-08-2001 07:27									#39
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And what was the character's name in Crystal Caves? Milo something or another. . .

Wow! The memories, their all coming back to me now.

	09-08-2001 10:26									#40
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There are actually two games named Omega. One's an ASCII-based Rogue-like RPG that runs on all sorts of systems. It's still floating around on the Net and is absolutely free. The other one is a tank combat game based on the legendary Corewars.

quote: Originally posted by Ribannah The oldest computer game I have played must have been Wumpus, shortly followed by Hamurabi = the predecessor of civ . These were not even on the PC.

You're old

	09-08-2001 14:41									#41
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I played Crystal Caves a week ago but deleted it. I used to play it on my 386PC and I think it had 3 episodes.
Heck, I'll just download it once again.

	12-08-2001 11:15									#42
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How about Ascendancy? For a Dos game, the graphics were excellent, better than some Windows games, that's for sure. I think SVGA though, so is that out of the scope of this thread?

	12-08-2001 13:43									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Russell How about Ascendancy? For a Dos game, the graphics were excellent, better than some Windows games, that's for sure. I think SVGA though, so is that out of the scope of this thread?

I remember Ascendancy, that was between MOO1and 2. I remember a friend had it, it was really innovative, but it was flawed with REALLY bad AI so I hear.

My favorite games

I remember being little and getting really excited about getting both SimCity (not 2k) and Civ, and how I never really understood either until I had played them for 3 years (I was like 10 or something).

Defender of The Crown - I had the NES version, prolly my first strategy game.

Colonization - I play that now, but I never had it for DOS, I have the Windows version, and yes a sequel would be awesome!

Wing Commander 1&2 - Nothing like playing a flight sim with the number pad!

but...
What bout the good ole AD&D RPGS!?!?

1. Champions of Krynn!
   
2. Pool of Radiance!
   
3. EOB 1,2, and 3!
   

	12-08-2001 19:18									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Pythagoras Wing Commander 1&2 - Nothing like playing a flight sim with the number pad!

Those were amazing! And they had the best plot I've ever seen in a computer game...

I also had an expansion, the Secret Operations 1&2, I think, and also bought Wing Commander Privateer, which had a very interesting plot too, but I never got to finish it. Could anyone tell me what happened in the end?

	12-08-2001 20:18									#45
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"I remember Ascendancy, that was between MOO1and 2. I remember a friend had it, it was really innovative, but it was flawed with REALLY bad AI so I hear."

That's putting it mildly. I've never experienced the CTP2 AI but I can't imagine it would be worse than Ascendancy's.
It had other turn-offs, such as an overwhelming amount of micromanagement and an annoying limit of one starship for each planet system you controlled.

Shame though, because the remainder of the game was well designed IMO.

And to Russel, yes, Ascendancy is way beyond the scope of this thread.

	13-08-2001 00:21									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Fiera Those were amazing! And they had the best plot I've ever seen in a computer game... I also had an expansion, the Secret Operations 1&2, I think, and also bought Wing Commander Privateer, which had a very interesting plot too, but I never got to finish it. Could anyone tell me what happened in the end?

The other cool thing about WC1 was the branching story structure. Even if you lost a mission, you might be in for another mission that youve never played, and you can still win the game.

	13-08-2001 09:28									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Father Beast I got Pirates! Gold from underdogs a while back, but never played it. I was wondering if I should try it out....

YES! I started pllaying it after dinner one even, and after awhile, I was getting really tired. I glanced over at the clock and it was 3 in the morning! I had to get up at 6 and go to work. Needless to say, I was pretty worthless at work the next day.

	14-08-2001 05:24									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Zkribbler YES! I started pllaying it after dinner one even, and after awhile, I was getting really tired. I glanced over at the clock and it was 3 in the morning! I had to get up at 6 and go to work. Needless to say, I was pretty worthless at work the next day.

Dang! Maybe I should try it out. I did the same thing, got it from underdogs and never played. maybe I'll try the manual

	15-08-2001 18:34									#49
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Legacy of the ancients (also available at underdogs) is another of those great old games. My wife and I fought for use of our commodore during our first year of marriage to play this game.

the PC version doesn't have sound as good, but it's still fun. I remember devising the strategy of doing the mail run from isle city to cobbleton to get enough money to get me started, always a problem in these Questron type games.

	17-08-2001 05:45									#50
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Hitchhiker is a lot better then zork. It's hilarious. I agree some bits in zork are good but you dont get a feel for the environment you're just going through the same places over and over. In hitchhiker you actually travel around and only go back as a different character which is really fun as well you get to see yourself from another persons perspective.
Another great game is Shadow President, It's about 12 years old but it just doesn't age.

	22-08-2001 11:18									#51
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An old game i played heaps of was Warlords.

It was an excellent strategy/war game. There were 80 castles to take over, and 7 enemies. It also had a very good AI, which didnt do excessively stupid things, and was aggressive

Of course, i played civ a lot more (especially after i discovered that cannons *werent* too good for defence) hehe

	23-08-2001 08:58									#52
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Also Warlords 2. Very stong AI.

	24-08-2001 13:18									#53
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Besides the obvious choices of Civ & Colonisation, I'd pick defender of the Crown (which has been mentioned), Romance of the 3 Kingdoms, Ancient Art of War, Might & Magic 2, and Olympic Decathlon.

	25-08-2001 07:16									#54
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Panzers East! from Avalon Hill, I believe. You just moved German "strength points" (Infantry, Panzer, Axis and Air) around on a Russian map. It was actually pretty difficult, with a Tactical Victory the best I ever got.

SSI´s Wargame Construction Set : Now this is something I would like to see again. A game where You can create Your own tactical battles, units, maps and everything in any period! Why did no one ever do this again?

	25-08-2001 11:08									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune Panzers East! from Avalon Hill, I believe. You just moved German "strength points" (Infantry, Panzer, Axis and Air) around on a Russian map. It was actually pretty difficult, with a Tactical Victory the best I ever got. SSI´s Wargame Construction Set : Now this is something I would like to see again. A game where You can create Your own tactical battles, units, maps and everything in any period! Why did no one ever do this again?

Yeah I remember a friend of mine had the wargame construction set, it was awesome. But then again, why make a wargame construction set when you can just mod whats out there (ie civ3).

	25-08-2001 16:46									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Pythagoras But then again, why make a wargame construction set when you can just mod whats out there (ie civ3).

Making mods is great, of course. But a Civ game wouldn´t be really useful as a starting point, if You want to do something along a tactical or grand-tactical line. Chickamauga or the Bulge as a Civ scenario wouldn´t quite work.

Then, of course, there will also probably never be a Civ game with a WYSIWYG type editor, like in HoMM 3 Armageddon. Civ editors will always be somewhat cumbersome I bet.

	25-08-2001 16:50									#57
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I just thought of two more nostalgia games: Ghenghis Khan from KOEI, and Prince of Aragon from SSI. The latter had the best unit construction workshop, ever.

	30-08-2001 16:36									#58
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- Prince was great- I once did it in about 20 minits I think.
- And King's Quest III.. I played it for a year, but when I got close to the end:
- Arkanoid: the final level was the single easiest one of the whole game.
- Cat: really cool, but has it an ending?
- Wolf 3D: the ultimate 3d shoot'em up. no other has added something really important to this genre, don't you think?
- Centurion: it's also VGA, but it worked on my old 286 so I consider it a small game. It's in fact the only one I still play sometimes.
- Castle: ASCII. This one has just so much atmosphere. Move your around to fight ), *, and S. Go upstairs, look in the fountain and you can see a gem. A drawback: current computers are way too fast, and it's real-time... I think the average opponent can attack you 654 times before you saw its character flickering. And my version is corrupted.

--> Which brings us to: ROGUE-LIKES: Nethack, Ancient Domains of Magic, Angband, .. Ascii adventures with random dungeons. Incredibly deep and surprising . For example, in Nethack you can eat a carrot to cure blindness (ever seen a rabbit with glasses?), except when you're hit by a cream pie. You can cast stone to flesh on a granite ring/diamond a get a meat ring/meatball. Look into a mirror when you're polymorphed into a floating eye and paralyse yourself. etc., etc.

	30-08-2001 22:40									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tribune I just thought of two more nostalgia games: Ghenghis Khan from KOEI, and Prince of Aragon from SSI. The latter had the best unit construction workshop, ever.

Prince of Aragon? Never heard of it... what kind of game was it?

	31-08-2001 01:44									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Fiera Prince of Aragon? Never heard of it... what kind of game was it?

Apart from one weakness -bad tactical AI- it was the best fantasy strategy game ever made.
There were so many great details about that game I´ll only mention one (Otherwise this post would cover pages.):
You could custom-design and develop every single military unit the way You develop Your heroes in a RPG: Same level of detail, and it WORKED.