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alf is offline alf
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Bilbao de España,.... espero
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ojo con Pizarro, que llevó a sus hermanos de veraneo al machupichu y ademas tenía un caracter...se mosqueó cuando le tiraron los evangelios al suelo,

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Por cierto Fiera, hablando de esto me he acordao de la cancion de los nikis (mi hermano se ha pillao un especial con los 3 cds asi que no hace falta que me la mandes), bueno a o que iva, otra cancion patriotera muy cachonda, en el ultimo cd de los chanclas una que creo que se llama "Gibraltar Español" no te la pierdas mu güena

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Ahí va, es verdad, se me olvidó mandarte la del Imperio... Perdona, es que tengo una cabeza... Oye, y tienen Los Nikis canciones suficientes para llenar 3 cds?



Ah, y respecto a lo de Cortés primero de la lista, yo creo que el primero, primero fue Colón.

Bueno, no, en realidad, el primero que llevó a cabo una hazaña dignade conquistadores supongo que sería Núñez de Balboa, cruzando la selva del istmo de Panamá "a puro huevo", como diríamos hoy. Por cierto que una de las tribus de indios con las que tuvo que luchar era una cuyos guerreros tenían la costumbre de vestirse de mujeres...

A Balboa le dio tanto asco que les echó a sus perros para que los despedazasen... o algo así me suena ahora...

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ojo con Pizarro, que llevó a sus hermanos de veraneo al machupichu y ademas tenía un caracter...se mosqueó cuando le tiraron los evangelios al suelo,


Sí, los hermanos eran la leche... de ambiciosos, sobre todo. Especialmente Hernando Pizarro, ese sí que fue un personaje, y tenía una especie de conflicto interno sin resolver, porque, aunque unos años menor que Pizarro, era el único legítimo, y se consideraba un poco "cabeza de familia".

Para la empresa de Perú acató la autoridad de Francisco por la experiencia que éste tenía, pero no estaba dispuesto a acatar la de nadie más, de ahí su empeñó en quitar de en medio a Almagro, el socio de Pizarro...

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Baaahhhhh!!!!el Pizarro ese no sera tan interesante cuando nadie ha hecho todavia ningun escenario sobre él.....


Ahi, ahi!!! Fiera, el hispanismo apolitonico no te ruega sino te exige que termines con ese escenario.... YA!

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Ahi, ahi!!! Fiera, el hispanismo apolitonico no te ruega sino te exige que termines con ese escenario.... YA!


Sed misericordiosos conmigo... por lo menos hasta que acabe con los exámenes...

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Si, si que tienen un puñao de canciones, si quieres puedo mandarte los nombres de los discos y las canciones.

Colon no cuenta que era italiano y ademas solo descubria tierra, na de oro ni indigenas pa evangelizar el Balboa bueno este si que me gusta mucho pero como Cortes es mas conocido y ademas los Aztecas eran mas fuertes que los indios travestidos esos jejeje


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Esa escusa esta un poco gastada, no??? que llevas de examenes media vida y conociendote un poco no creo que te agobies en demasia...que yo se que pa ver futbol seguro que siempre tienes tiempo

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Waku, me has llamado añejo !!!!!!

Yo sería incapaz de utilizar un término tan "políticamente correcto"

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es decir, que yo no estaba quasimodo en esto tampoco y Viriato podria haber sido tan portugues como español...


cuando todavía te acuerdas del huchback es que no te haría mucha gracia

Creo que lo mejor será coger un dardo y tirarlo sobre la piel de toro apuntando a Portugal y a ver donde cae

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cuando todavía te acuerdas del huchback es que no te haría mucha gracia


Que es lo que no me haria gracia? O me vas a hacer destripar el chiste?


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Creo que lo mejor será coger un dardo y tirarlo sobre la piel de toro apuntando a Portugal y a ver donde cae


Siempre y cuando caiga hacia la derechita, me vale....

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Cos Isabella is not Spanish but Italian.


and german (so now you know why I put it that way. Anyway, is Elisabeth really = to Isabel?

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and german (so now you know why I put it that way.


Another thing I've learned in these forums But I have never ever met a German gal called Isabella Is it actually used in 'normal' life?

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Another thing I've learned in these forums But I have never ever met a German gal called Isabella Is it actually used in 'normal' life?
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yes, I even know two girls called Isabella

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weird, in german we have Isabella and Elisabeth.

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You have lots of names in German, that I can tell.

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I'm not so sure

Edit: You're right it's the same name Waku=Quasimodo

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I even met a german guy whose name was Manuel, I was so surprised that I had to ask him about it (that's my name too), he said he had not spanish blood, it was just that his parents liked that name

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Yeah, it's possible that German borrowed Isabella from Italian and Elisabeth from English. But I do not know, it's just a speculation.

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Similar case:

Ivan = John

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...also Ian and Sean

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I even met a german guy whose name was Manuel, I was so surprised that I had to ask him about it (that's my name too), he said he had not spanish blood, it was just that his parents liked that name


my brother in law's name is manuel, it's not too rare too in german

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Yeah, it's possible that German borrowed Isabella from Italian and Elisabeth from English. But I do not know, it's just a speculation.


AFAIK, italians call Elisabeth I (of England) Elisabeta, but I don't know exactly.

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One of my mother's names is Isabella ... And my mother is german!

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Elisabeth from English


More likely to be the other way round...us Brits are pretty much a mixture of Germans and Scandanavians...

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More likely to be the other way round...us Brits are pretty much a mixture of Germans and Scandanavians...

As far as I know English is also strongly influenced by French and Latin and this german-roman-ic mixture is in fact what makes it unique (Am I right?)

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En euskera, Elisabete.

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As far as I know English is also strongly influenced by French and Latin and this german-roman-ic mixture is in fact what makes it unique (Am I right?)

Linguistically, you are correct. It's what makes English so learnable by speakers of Germanic and Romance languages, while at the same time making it so confusing. That said, the 200 or so most commonly used words in English are purely of english origin. The rest just adds color...

Blood ties are germanic, germanic, germanic, and a splash of the original inhabitants. You could divvy them into the Norse, Danes, Saxons, Angles, Normans, and so forth, but these are all germanic peoples. Altho the Normans may have been a mix of Frankish and Celtic, I really am not sure.

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Linguistically, you are correct. It's what makes English so learnable by speakers of Germanic and Romance languages, while at the same time making it so confusing. That said, the 200 or so most commonly used words in English are purely of english origin. The rest just adds color...


You mean colour!

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Blood ties are germanic, germanic, germanic, and a splash of the original inhabitants. You could divvy them into the Norse, Danes, Saxons, Angles, Normans, and so forth, but these are all germanic peoples. Altho the Normans may have been a mix of Frankish and Celtic, I really am not sure.


A lot of people seem to think that we have a lot of links with France (ie the Normans), but they were Viking - historically we have surprisingly few links with France.

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A lot of people seem to think that we have a lot of links with France (ie the Normans), but they were Viking - historically we have surprisingly few links with France.

IMHO historical links between France and Britain are more or less the same (in quantity not in quality) than Spanish-French hist. links but...

What happened with the Anjou-Plantagenet

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LEADER:
Male:
Pelipe II (2)
Fernando el Católico (2)
Carlos I

Female:
Isabel la Católica (4)

GENERALS:

Gran Capitán (4)
El Cid (4)
Cortés (4)
Viriato (3)
Pizarro (3)
Weyler (2)
Farnesio (2)
Gálvez

UNITS:

Conquistadores (2)
Tercio (2)
Almogávares

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(I think Conquistadores were Great Leaders rather than a military unit).


Yes, but that´s the kind of representative units Civ 3 have (Samurais wasn´t also organized units). And if the Golde Age has to start when your special unit wins its 1st combat, Conquistadores is quite representative. The idea of "x2 bonus vs. Ancient Age units", if could be used (in Civ2 couldn´t), to customize an unit, is quite good to represent the unit´s advantages. The units should have big movement and exploration capabilities, as its represents few men who conquered huge empires helped by their diplomacy capabilities (at least in Cortes case).

El Cid, even being an historic caracter, operates much more as a myth, as it was one of the 1st and best know wrote story in spanish.

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Solo por incordiar....
La primera infantería de marina fueespañoa, en 1537 Carlos I dejó como fuerza de desembarco asignado a los barcos los primeros tercios.O sea mas de 450 años.
Esa fuerza no era moco de pavo, en la lucha por las Azores, contra franceses e ingleses que apoyaban el prior que quería ser rey de Portugal, en la isla Terceira organizaron e hicieron un desembarco que creó historia.
Así que si don Alfonso incluye esa unidad... claro salvo que solo se pueda añadir una... es que el civ3 es "virgen" para mí.
Eso potenciaría mas nuestra imagen...
Claro que si estuvieramos hablamdo en español solo, en esta carpeta, mejor... perdón si molesto.

 
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